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cheers https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26434203/nature13008.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26434203/nature13008.pdf
by yosyp 13y ago
cheers
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26434203/nature13008.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26434203/nature13008.pdf
- leobelle 13y agoNo offense to anyone, but this link should be deleted. You may not like the system, but HN isn't the place to protest IP laws with civil disobedience. A lot of YC companies have their own IP they'd like to protect I'm sure.
- sillysaurus2 13y agoWhy not let the mods say what should or shouldn't be on HN? No need to speak for them.
- Retric 13y agoNot all IP laws are equivalent. Also, civil disobedience has been known to work in the past.
- leobelle 13y agoYour first sentence is a subjective value statement (that I probably don't agree with). Both your first and second sentence are irrelevant to my argument.
- Retric 13y agoHow is saying Drug Patents lasting 20 years vs copy write on a tweet lasting the lifetime of the author plus what 80 years a subjective statement? IMO, IP is a loaded term that distorts the wide range of issues. IM for Intellectual Monopoly is much closer to the truth. To be clear I have no problem with the idea of copyright or a well run power company being run as a local monopoly, but there outside of the normal business. And the goals should be finding rules that best serve society not the owners of said monopoly.
- gizmo686 13y agoThis isn't protesting the law with civil disobedience, it is breaking the law because the direct expected value of breaking the law (people having access to this specific paper) is greater then the expected cost of breaking the law (~0).
- leobelle 13y agoAre you a psychopath? In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? If you have the chance to get a promotion by killing your boss but have near zero chance of being caught due to some circumstance, would you kill your boss? What the fuck.
- sillysaurus2 13y agoWhy call your opponent names and become emotional? It's not effective. In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? There are at least two counterarguments to this. 1) The law is written for precisely this reason. Most people do live by a cost vs benefit mindset, and the penalties of laws are generally tuned until people stop committing the crime. I wouldn't want to live in a world where the penalty for murder was only a week in prison. 2) Anyone who uses the law as a way to guide their own moral compass probably isn't very moral, because throughout history every society has had laws which are later agreed to be evil.
- leobelle 13y agoPsychopath is not name calling. It's an honest question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
- sillysaurus2 13y agoNames which offend people the most are those which are also true. It's still name calling, and it's also irrelevant to your argument in this case. I suppose my question is, do you care more about expressing yourself than convincing others? If so, then that's detrimental to a message board.
- snowwindwaves 13y agoYC companies aren't funded by taxpayer dollars
- leobelle 13y agoI don't understand what argument you are making here.
- wavesounds 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Lab...
- snowwindwaves 13y agoThe point was the research is being performed by a government funded lab not private money. If the public is paying for the research should they not have access to the published papers resulting from it without paying $32 to a private company for a PDF download?
- return0 13y agoExcept those companies didn't use publicly-funded researchers to both write and review the papers they put in their blogs (seriously, who buys printed copies anymore).
- wavesounds 13y ago"Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) is a Federally Funded Research and Development Center (FFRDC) founded by the University of California in 1952" [1]. My tax dollars paid for this research I should be able to read it. As far as YC is concerned AirBNB and Uber encourage people to break the law all the time, some rules are just stupid and outdated and don't make sense and should be broken. This is "Hacker" News after all. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Lab...
- 10feet 13y agoMy tax dollars paid for that gun officer, so let me hold it. I mean, I agree with you, but this is a silly statement. Just because the government pays for something does not allow you access to it.
- dannypgh 13y agoAnd that's a silly comparison. Copyright law already excludes work created by official duties of officers of the federal government from copyright. That's not this work, but arguably the original motives and intent of the law is subverted if what's happening here is the government outsourcing the creation of the work to a third party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the... I see no parallels to firearm possession.
- yen223 13y agoMy tax dollars (well, not dollars) didn't pay for this research. Should I be able to read it?
- ACow_Adonis 13y agoCan you provide a link to the place where you consider it IS appropriate to protest IP laws with civil disobedience then?
- TeMPOraL 13y agoThank you for doing that. Mirroring: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/216352/bigscarylaser.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/216352/bigscarylaser.pdf.
- anon4 13y agoMuahahaha Ha! I'm not American. I'll read it TWICE and cost you TWICE the taxpayer dollars, then I'll share it with all my friends and soon all the dollars in America will be GONE. Better call the president and tell him to start enacting measures, cause there are no breaks on THIS terrorist train!