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This is right vs. left. He wouldn't have done this to a Republican president, do you think he, Rand Paul, would have? Do you know much about Rand Paul? The m

This is right vs. left. He wouldn't have done this to a Republican president, do you think he, Rand Paul, would have? Do you know much about Rand Paul? The man's entire political career is based on acting the partisan part. Like it or not, everything literally is partisan politics. No issue in the US rises above partisanship. That's the system we live in, you'll just have to accept that or attempt to change it directly.

jdreaver 13y ago
I know it is right vs left, and I don't care. Being a pawn in the right vs left debate is a waste of time. I care about the actual effects of this suit. > Like it or not, everything literally is partisan politics. No issue in the US rises above partisanship. That's the system we live in, you'll just have to accept that or attempt to change it directly. Are you kidding me? There is so much to life besides partisan politics. Deciding not to care about partisan politics is one of the best decisions of my life. It is indeed possible to change the world without using the government and partisan politics. Trying to steer the current political system to do your bidding is a waste of time unless you have a tremendous amount of resources and willpower. For the average citizen, the only winning move is not to play.
- gnaritas 13y ago
  Not playing is not playing, it's not a winning move, it's no move. Nor did he say anything about life being partisan politics; he said issues, i.e. political issues are all partisan. > It is indeed possible to change the world without using the government and partisan politics. For 99.999% of people, no, it's really not. Voting is the most powerful thing you can do to change things in any meaningful way. Those who show up run the show; those who don't show up follow the laws passed by those who do.
tanon500 13y ago
If you have the power and opportunity to change a wrong, but do nothing, then you're as culpable as whoever caused the wrong in the first place. In this case we're proving that a wrong occurred by attempting to get retribution for the alleged wrong - whoever is targeted (be they Rep. Dem. Lib.) is inconsequential for the general public, aside from adjusting voting patterns in the future. Once the suit determines culpability, we can find ways to prevent the wrong from happening in the first place.
- diminoten 13y ago
  If what you say is true, then every single second of every single day that I'm not spending my time maximizing my benefit to society and others, I'm living in... well, "sin" or whatever moral bad state you would like to call it. You may choose to live like that, but I prefer to judge myself in a way that doesn't make literally everything I do an immoral act.
  - tanon500 13y ago
    We're all selfish and make decisions in our best interest (our families' and close ones' interests _are_ our own) - whether or not you look at those selfish decisions as a "sin" isn't a distinction I've made or intend to.
    - diminoten 13y ago
      Okay, but what you said was that any time we don't act and can act we are operating "in sin", which leads to the conclusion that if we don't always act in the most optimal way for society, we're acting in sin. So even if you didn't intend to, you just made all selfish acts sinful.
twoodfin 13y ago
He wouldn't have done this to a Republican president, do you think he, Rand Paul, would have? Do you know much about Rand Paul? The man's entire political career is based on acting the partisan part. I am not a big Rand Paul fan, but I'm curious how you arrived at this conclusion. ISTM that he'd be as almost as much of a pain-in-the-ass to a Republican president from the less-libertarian/isolationist/goldbug wing of the party. Look at the spats he's had with Christie, at a start.

jdreaver 13y ago

I know it is right vs left, and I don't care. Being a pawn in the right vs left debate is a waste of time. I care about the actual effects of this suit. > Like it or not, everything literally is partisan politics. No issue in the US rises above partisanship. That's the system we live in, you'll just have to accept that or attempt to change it directly. Are you kidding me? There is so much to life besides partisan politics. Deciding not to care about partisan politics is one of the best decisions of my life. It is indeed possible to change the world without using the government and partisan politics. Trying to steer the current political system to do your bidding is a waste of time unless you have a tremendous amount of resources and willpower. For the average citizen, the only winning move is not to play.

gnaritas 13y ago
Not playing is not playing, it's not a winning move, it's no move. Nor did he say anything about life being partisan politics; he said issues, i.e. political issues are all partisan. > It is indeed possible to change the world without using the government and partisan politics. For 99.999% of people, no, it's really not. Voting is the most powerful thing you can do to change things in any meaningful way. Those who show up run the show; those who don't show up follow the laws passed by those who do.

tanon500 13y ago

If you have the power and opportunity to change a wrong, but do nothing, then you're as culpable as whoever caused the wrong in the first place. In this case we're proving that a wrong occurred by attempting to get retribution for the alleged wrong - whoever is targeted (be they Rep. Dem. Lib.) is inconsequential for the general public, aside from adjusting voting patterns in the future. Once the suit determines culpability, we can find ways to prevent the wrong from happening in the first place.

diminoten 13y ago
If what you say is true, then every single second of every single day that I'm not spending my time maximizing my benefit to society and others, I'm living in... well, "sin" or whatever moral bad state you would like to call it. You may choose to live like that, but I prefer to judge myself in a way that doesn't make literally everything I do an immoral act.
- tanon500 13y ago
  We're all selfish and make decisions in our best interest (our families' and close ones' interests _are_ our own) - whether or not you look at those selfish decisions as a "sin" isn't a distinction I've made or intend to.
  - diminoten 13y ago
    Okay, but what you said was that any time we don't act and can act we are operating "in sin", which leads to the conclusion that if we don't always act in the most optimal way for society, we're acting in sin. So even if you didn't intend to, you just made all selfish acts sinful.

twoodfin 13y ago

He wouldn't have done this to a Republican president, do you think he, Rand Paul, would have? Do you know much about Rand Paul? The man's entire political career is based on acting the partisan part. I am not a big Rand Paul fan, but I'm curious how you arrived at this conclusion. ISTM that he'd be as almost as much of a pain-in-the-ass to a Republican president from the less-libertarian/isolationist/goldbug wing of the party. Look at the spats he's had with Christie, at a start.