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Hopefully we are approaching the slope of the Python hype: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle

JasonFruit 13y ago
Why hopefully?
- _random_ 13y ago
  It will take its well-deserved place in the range of many other languages available instead of being offered way too often as the only language worth learning here on HN. I hope the JS-madness will calm down in next few years as well. Would be helpful to get some other languages in browser. Maybe Dart/NaCl will help.
  - yeukhon 13y ago
    (didn't downvote you) And the hype of Dart? I think there is always hype. Hype of Go, hype of Rust, hype of Scala.
    - sejje 13y ago
      Who cares? Languages get hyped because people are newly finding them as great solutions to a problem they have. There's no "perl hype" because (virtually) nobody is just discovering it as something new and useful. As python came to have a robust web ecosystem, it started to get a lot of hype as it was getting a ton of converts from perl/php/etc. Now as web tasks are changing, Go's niche is becoming larger, and people are excited to use it where Python was failing them. This will continue forever, most likely.
      - yeukhon 13y ago
        I am not the one judging the hype, FYI.
    - lmm 13y ago
      There is always hype; the reason the "hype cycle" is an identifiable thing is that it repeats over and over again. And once the hype and the disillusionment die down, that's when you end up with a useful language. (I say, as I work in Scala. But I think it's slightly different from your other examples; it's been around much longer than the other three languages you mention.)
keypusher 13y ago
Python has some problems but I don't think "hype" is one of them. It's almost 25 years old, and it's been in widespread use for at least the last 10. Hell, we've got 100kloc+ python codebase that probably qualifies as legacy already, how hype is that?
- erikb 13y ago
  Actually I feel especially because of HN that Python got a boost like no other language in the last five years. It even reached our slow Berlin to recognize it as a potential alternative to Java. So I guess the hype in the rest of the world must have been quite huge.
  - zorked 13y ago
    Which is weird because I regard Python as very mainstream and established, even old, and I certainly live in a place that is slower than Berlin. Guess it depends on your niche.
  - drawkbox 13y ago
    Languages have long cycles. Python (1991), Ruby (1996), and Javascript (1995) inception dates are not that far apart. I also believe Python use has increased tremendously with HN, myself included. Ruby during the same time also fueled that (2005/6 ish), reddit being built on it possibly also sparked that. A native language takes even longer sometimes, Objective-C just really hit it's stride with Apple/Next integration and the iPhone but it was made in 1983, same year as C++. Both with very different spikes/waves of interest. From this we can see strict/native type languages in the 80's, more dynamic/scripted languages in the 90's, the ones in the last decade maybe are still in contention. All of them are pretty much products of their hardware environments at the time.
    - keypusher 13y ago
      Reddit was originally built on Lisp, but was later rewritten in Python. It was never built on Ruby.
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frik 13y ago
How can one add "Python" to Google Trends? http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F060kv%2C%20%2Fm%2F06ff5%2C%20%2Fm%2F02p97%2C%20%2Fm%2F05zrn&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F060kv%2C%20%2F... If I input e.g. "PHP" I can select "PHP (programming language)", but the search suggestions for "Python" make it impossible to add "Python" (the programming language) :( Search suggestions are for me: Python molurus, Monty Python, Python reticulatus, Burmese python

JasonFruit 13y ago

Why hopefully?

_random_ 13y ago
It will take its well-deserved place in the range of many other languages available instead of being offered way too often as the only language worth learning here on HN. I hope the JS-madness will calm down in next few years as well. Would be helpful to get some other languages in browser. Maybe Dart/NaCl will help.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  (didn't downvote you) And the hype of Dart? I think there is always hype. Hype of Go, hype of Rust, hype of Scala.
  - sejje 13y ago
    Who cares? Languages get hyped because people are newly finding them as great solutions to a problem they have. There's no "perl hype" because (virtually) nobody is just discovering it as something new and useful. As python came to have a robust web ecosystem, it started to get a lot of hype as it was getting a ton of converts from perl/php/etc. Now as web tasks are changing, Go's niche is becoming larger, and people are excited to use it where Python was failing them. This will continue forever, most likely.
    - yeukhon 13y ago
      I am not the one judging the hype, FYI.
  - lmm 13y ago
    There is always hype; the reason the "hype cycle" is an identifiable thing is that it repeats over and over again. And once the hype and the disillusionment die down, that's when you end up with a useful language. (I say, as I work in Scala. But I think it's slightly different from your other examples; it's been around much longer than the other three languages you mention.)

keypusher 13y ago

Python has some problems but I don't think "hype" is one of them. It's almost 25 years old, and it's been in widespread use for at least the last 10. Hell, we've got 100kloc+ python codebase that probably qualifies as legacy already, how hype is that?

erikb 13y ago
Actually I feel especially because of HN that Python got a boost like no other language in the last five years. It even reached our slow Berlin to recognize it as a potential alternative to Java. So I guess the hype in the rest of the world must have been quite huge.
- zorked 13y ago
  Which is weird because I regard Python as very mainstream and established, even old, and I certainly live in a place that is slower than Berlin. Guess it depends on your niche.
- drawkbox 13y ago
  Languages have long cycles. Python (1991), Ruby (1996), and Javascript (1995) inception dates are not that far apart. I also believe Python use has increased tremendously with HN, myself included. Ruby during the same time also fueled that (2005/6 ish), reddit being built on it possibly also sparked that. A native language takes even longer sometimes, Objective-C just really hit it's stride with Apple/Next integration and the iPhone but it was made in 1983, same year as C++. Both with very different spikes/waves of interest. From this we can see strict/native type languages in the 80's, more dynamic/scripted languages in the 90's, the ones in the last decade maybe are still in contention. All of them are pretty much products of their hardware environments at the time.
  - keypusher 13y ago
    Reddit was originally built on Lisp, but was later rewritten in Python. It was never built on Ruby.

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frik 13y ago

How can one add "Python" to Google Trends? http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F060kv%2C%20%2Fm%2F06ff5%2C%20%2Fm%2F02p97%2C%20%2Fm%2F05zrn&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F060kv%2C%20%2F... If I input e.g. "PHP" I can select "PHP (programming language)", but the search suggestions for "Python" make it impossible to add "Python" (the programming language) :( Search suggestions are for me: Python molurus, Monty Python, Python reticulatus, Burmese python