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Likewise I don't understand your POV -- in fact I think you're spouting rubbish much as most advocates seem to. I've been dealing with Windows, Linux and BSD s

by d0 13y ago

Likewise I don't understand your POV -- in fact I think you're spouting rubbish much as most advocates seem to. I've been dealing with Windows, Linux and BSD systems for 20 years and there's really not much in it between them. The bad rep Windows gets is from idiot users clicking Ok. If we had user friendly OpenBSD desktops with idiots pushing the buttons we'd have the same statistic with a different OS. The brand doesn't matter - the fundamental problems are the same.

dschiptsov 13y ago
Let's say that I am very sceptical about any proprietary bloatware pushed by big money and developed by outsourcers on a payroll. I also do not believe in the myth that these corporations employ more talent that is behind some selected open source projects and startups. In Russia where traditionally IT is heavily dominated by Windows and now Java and SAP, I have seen enough, and it is what biased my POV.)
- d0 13y ago
  Oh I agree entirely with you there. Forget the words bloatware, outsourcers and money for a minute... Surprisingly it's rarely the core products of the companies that are problematic. It's usually the army of consultants and cash backhanders (the enterprise lot) who come wading in to pillage everyone. That's where the bad rep comes from. They build half-arsed products on top of these platforms which everyone comes to hate. Regarding open-source talent; much as it is anywhere else, it's hard to come by. In fact a lot of the open source software out there is considerably worse than the closed source stuff that I've seen over the years. There are a few gems here and there for example the FreeBSD operating system, LLVM, valgrind, postfix, postgresql etc but the vast majority is total half-baked shit. I include a big chunk of GNU in that as well which is shameful. The vast majority of commercial software is total shit too. Regardless of that, the core of Windows and even Java (but not SAP - I've had my fair share of integration there) are good products. Just don't go and grab piles of enterprise integration junk on top and it's fine. That, IMHO, is where all the pain comes from and why people have such hatred. Hatred is infectious as well. It takes experience to distinguish justified hatred and rumors.

by d0 13y ago

dschiptsov 13y ago

Let's say that I am very sceptical about any proprietary bloatware pushed by big money and developed by outsourcers on a payroll. I also do not believe in the myth that these corporations employ more talent that is behind some selected open source projects and startups. In Russia where traditionally IT is heavily dominated by Windows and now Java and SAP, I have seen enough, and it is what biased my POV.)

d0 13y ago
Oh I agree entirely with you there. Forget the words bloatware, outsourcers and money for a minute... Surprisingly it's rarely the core products of the companies that are problematic. It's usually the army of consultants and cash backhanders (the enterprise lot) who come wading in to pillage everyone. That's where the bad rep comes from. They build half-arsed products on top of these platforms which everyone comes to hate. Regarding open-source talent; much as it is anywhere else, it's hard to come by. In fact a lot of the open source software out there is considerably worse than the closed source stuff that I've seen over the years. There are a few gems here and there for example the FreeBSD operating system, LLVM, valgrind, postfix, postgresql etc but the vast majority is total half-baked shit. I include a big chunk of GNU in that as well which is shameful. The vast majority of commercial software is total shit too. Regardless of that, the core of Windows and even Java (but not SAP - I've had my fair share of integration there) are good products. Just don't go and grab piles of enterprise integration junk on top and it's fine. That, IMHO, is where all the pain comes from and why people have such hatred. Hatred is infectious as well. It takes experience to distinguish justified hatred and rumors.