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If its so trivial why stress about me releasing it? I figured out how to write the attack from rfcs, wireshark and reports about attacks in early January. Also

by vpnguy 13y ago

If its so trivial why stress about me releasing it? I figured out how to write the attack from rfcs, wireshark and reports about attacks in early January. Also you can only launch an attack from somewhere that doesn't drop invalid udp packets (windows machines post XPSP2 and many consumer level ISPs) so it has skid protection naturally. To attack with this effectively someone could spawn a AWS instances id imagine. Imagine my surprise as I was enjoying my cereal this morning and saw this on HN.

devicenull 13y ago
I'm unsure what you're hoping to accomplish by releasing this? Also, you (or whoever 'DaRkReD' is, referenced in the script comments), released this on 01-22-2014 to hackforums.com. Personally, I find arming the script kiddies to be inexcusable behavior. From the hackforums post: > NTP has a feature called monlist which lists recent clients. Asking for the monlist takes about 90 bytes, the monlist is about 1640 bytes and since NTP is UDP we can spoof the IP origin and those 1640 bytes will go to your target of choice. As a result we have an 18x amplification attack so for every 1 byte you get sent you get 18 bytes sent to the target your home internet can now DOS 18x faster!
Fuxy 13y ago
Trivial for us doesn't mean trivial for everybody. More specifically not really trivial for people who might use it irresponsibly because they don't understand the circumstances but hey it's just so easy. I'm of the philosophy that there needs to be a barrier for entry sometimes.
Artemis2 13y ago
AWS, along with other cloud providers such as Rackspace or Digital Ocean have specific detection techniques for DDoS from their servers, in order to maintain legal and reasonable use of their resources. Also, that's not very responsible to release this script on HackForums, the home of every script kiddie around Internet.

by vpnguy 13y ago

devicenull 13y ago

I'm unsure what you're hoping to accomplish by releasing this? Also, you (or whoever 'DaRkReD' is, referenced in the script comments), released this on 01-22-2014 to hackforums.com. Personally, I find arming the script kiddies to be inexcusable behavior. From the hackforums post: > NTP has a feature called monlist which lists recent clients. Asking for the monlist takes about 90 bytes, the monlist is about 1640 bytes and since NTP is UDP we can spoof the IP origin and those 1640 bytes will go to your target of choice. As a result we have an 18x amplification attack so for every 1 byte you get sent you get 18 bytes sent to the target your home internet can now DOS 18x faster!

Fuxy 13y ago

Trivial for us doesn't mean trivial for everybody. More specifically not really trivial for people who might use it irresponsibly because they don't understand the circumstances but hey it's just so easy. I'm of the philosophy that there needs to be a barrier for entry sometimes.

Artemis2 13y ago

AWS, along with other cloud providers such as Rackspace or Digital Ocean have specific detection techniques for DDoS from their servers, in order to maintain legal and reasonable use of their resources. Also, that's not very responsible to release this script on HackForums, the home of every script kiddie around Internet.