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Concur. I didn't restrict my calorie intake, and lost 40lbs eating 65% fat, 30% protein and 5% carb. As soon as I add in sugar or other carbohydrates in any cap

by eclipxe 13y ago

Concur. I didn't restrict my calorie intake, and lost 40lbs eating 65% fat, 30% protein and 5% carb. As soon as I add in sugar or other carbohydrates in any capacity, I gain weight and eat much more. On a ketogenic diet I rarely even think about food - I am rarely hungry.

sosborn 13y ago
> I didn't restrict my calorie intake >On a ketogenic diet I rarely even think about food - I am rarely hungry. You probably did lower your caloric intake. The trick is that you did it in a way that it did not bother you. In other words, you ate a healthy diet.
- jerf 13y ago
  But this is giving away the farm; if the way to eat healthy is a high-fat diet that cuts out the empty carbs (and especially sugar), and then you just naturally eat a healthy amount of food after that without any sort of bizarre calorie counting, that's not proof that "it's all just calories", it proves the exact opposite, that the calorie type matters a lot and conventional nutritional wisdom up to this point on what constitutes a healthy diet is dead wrong. Which it is. But I find it bizarre that people will fall back to this defense, or, at least, I find it bizarre how many people still think this is some sort of defense, when it is in fact the exact, total, polar opposite of the position they think they are defending.
  - sosborn 13y ago
    >that's not proof that "it's all just calories", it proves the exact opposite At this point we are just arguing semantics. If you eat fewer calories, regardless of how you accomplish it, you will lose weight. Yes, it is easier to lose weight with healthy diet.
    - jerf 13y ago
      The whole line about "it's just calories" is precisely that it does not matter what you eat, it's all just calories. If you agree that it does matter what you eat, it is a fundamentally different position, and it means that, like I said, you are no longer defending the conventional wisdom, you are stipulating the correctness of the attackers, while still confusing yourself into the idea that the original position that you have now stipulated is inaccurate is still somehow true.
      - sosborn 13y ago
        You misunderstood me. You can lose weight focusing solely on calories. It is easier to keep your calories in check while eating wholesome foods for numerous reasons, but at the end of the day, the gain/loss is governed by calories.
butler14 13y ago
you didn't KNOWINGLY restrict it, or you upped your calorie expenditure... calories in, calories out.
iSnow 13y ago
OTOH I lost 20Kg eating lots of fruit (evil addictive fructose in there) and no meat. Any one-sided diet can work if your awareness rises. More wholesome diets might even work better in the long run.
- melfar 13y ago
  How many of those 20 kilos was lost muscle mass? Protein intake is crucial for muscle maintenance. Body cannot synthesize it from either fat or carbs.
- mamoswined 13y ago
  I can one up everyone. I lost weight on an almost all-fruit diet. And also weight on an almost all-meat diet. What they had in common was simple foods that satiated me and did not impel me to overeat. I've been part of diet communities with keto dieters for awhile and I have met people who have gained weight on keto. These people seem to not be as satiated from things like bacon as more successful keto dieters. I eat a more diverse diet now. I stay away from foods that cause me to overeat like fries.

by eclipxe 13y ago

sosborn 13y ago

> I didn't restrict my calorie intake >On a ketogenic diet I rarely even think about food - I am rarely hungry. You probably did lower your caloric intake. The trick is that you did it in a way that it did not bother you. In other words, you ate a healthy diet.

jerf 13y ago
But this is giving away the farm; if the way to eat healthy is a high-fat diet that cuts out the empty carbs (and especially sugar), and then you just naturally eat a healthy amount of food after that without any sort of bizarre calorie counting, that's not proof that "it's all just calories", it proves the exact opposite, that the calorie type matters a lot and conventional nutritional wisdom up to this point on what constitutes a healthy diet is dead wrong. Which it is. But I find it bizarre that people will fall back to this defense, or, at least, I find it bizarre how many people still think this is some sort of defense, when it is in fact the exact, total, polar opposite of the position they think they are defending.
- sosborn 13y ago
  >that's not proof that "it's all just calories", it proves the exact opposite At this point we are just arguing semantics. If you eat fewer calories, regardless of how you accomplish it, you will lose weight. Yes, it is easier to lose weight with healthy diet.
  - jerf 13y ago
    The whole line about "it's just calories" is precisely that it does not matter what you eat, it's all just calories. If you agree that it does matter what you eat, it is a fundamentally different position, and it means that, like I said, you are no longer defending the conventional wisdom, you are stipulating the correctness of the attackers, while still confusing yourself into the idea that the original position that you have now stipulated is inaccurate is still somehow true.
    - sosborn 13y ago
      You misunderstood me. You can lose weight focusing solely on calories. It is easier to keep your calories in check while eating wholesome foods for numerous reasons, but at the end of the day, the gain/loss is governed by calories.

butler14 13y ago

you didn't KNOWINGLY restrict it, or you upped your calorie expenditure... calories in, calories out.

iSnow 13y ago

OTOH I lost 20Kg eating lots of fruit (evil addictive fructose in there) and no meat. Any one-sided diet can work if your awareness rises. More wholesome diets might even work better in the long run.

melfar 13y ago
How many of those 20 kilos was lost muscle mass? Protein intake is crucial for muscle maintenance. Body cannot synthesize it from either fat or carbs.
mamoswined 13y ago
I can one up everyone. I lost weight on an almost all-fruit diet. And also weight on an almost all-meat diet. What they had in common was simple foods that satiated me and did not impel me to overeat. I've been part of diet communities with keto dieters for awhile and I have met people who have gained weight on keto. These people seem to not be as satiated from things like bacon as more successful keto dieters. I eat a more diverse diet now. I stay away from foods that cause me to overeat like fries.