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Hey man, calories-in, calories-out! Calorie-is-a-calorie! Sugar is fine! All in moderation! Heroin is fine, all in moderation!

• cperciva 13y ago
  Heroin is fine, all in moderation! In fact, numerous studies have found exactly this.
  • mullingitover 13y ago
    Not true--it causes constipation.
  • aparadja 13y ago
    Could you post links to some reputable ones?
    • glenra 13y ago
      When heroin was legal, addicts often took it in pill form which was cheap and sufficient to deter cravings. The chief negative long-term effect of being addicted to heroin is constipation...IF you can reliably keep a supply of it in pill form. The negative effects we see in addicts today are mostly caused by two factors: (1) if you shoot up, needle - especially dirty needles - can be a vector for infection and diseases such as HIV, (2) if you can't get a reliable supply of known potency you can go through withdrawal or overdose - the wild swings are harmful. (Impurities in the drug can also be harmful depending on what it's been "cut" with.) So if the drug were legal it'd be fine. But when it's illegal, some characteristics of an illegal market make it bad for people - those are problems related to the illegality, not really having much to do with the drug itself.
  • jeffdavis 13y ago
    I'm sure that both sugar and heroin are fine in moderation. The problem is that moderate consumption of either is known to cause overconsumption. So, perhaps not so fine in an environment of abundance.
    • leoedin 13y ago
      Most people eat sugar. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the proportion of people in the western world who have eaten sugar is close to 100%. Not everyone is obese. Even in the US, where obesity is at its worst, it's around 35%. That suggests that 65% of people can consume sugar and then not become obese. Certainly amongst my peer group of middle class graduates almost everyone eats sugar and almost nobody is obese. That suggests that people are perfectly capable of consuming moderate amounts of sugar without becoming rampant sugar addicts rapidly turning obese. The physical cause of obesity may be the overconsumption of simple carbohydrates, but the socioeconomic distribution of obesity suggests that there's many factors which drive that consumption.
      • threeseed 13y ago
        You and your peer group are at the age where your metabolism is high. Try having the same diet when you're in your 40s and I am sure you will have a different experience.
        • blister 13y ago
          Shit, 40s? I had to start busting my ass at 28 to not be a fat land whale.
        • LanceH 13y ago
          I'm in my 40's and I'm fat because I sit on my ass all day and eat when I'm not hungry. There is no reason to blame a certain subset of the calories.
      • jeffdavis 13y ago
        Causation does not require 100% determinism. If X causes Y, it means that inducing X will increase the likelihood of Y. So counterexamples are not disproof. You'd have to construct a lab experiment with enough subjects and measure over a long enough time. Unfortunately, it's difficult to construct a perfect double-blind study, because people usually know if they are eating sugar or not. Maybe if artificial sweeteners are good enough it might work, or maybe the experiment would still be convincing even if the subjects know. I'd be interested to see the results of such a study for sugar and heroin. I probably should be able to cite one before I claim it as fact, but I didn't think it was a very controversial claim. I think it's mainly a question of degree.
  • sambeau 13y ago
    Which is why it is used medically with pregnant women and newborns.