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> When the NSA demands your data, you're not really entering a business partnership. True, but I saw the original comment as relating more to recruiting. The N

by ef4 13y ago

> When the NSA demands your data, you're not really entering a business partnership. True, but I saw the original comment as relating more to recruiting. The NSA works just as hard as any tech company to compete for skilled employees. If you're the kind of person they want to hire, you have lots of fantastic other choices. So choose something else. Unless you're planning to pull a Snowden (and have gonads of steel). And if you do decide to help code the surveillance state, the rest of us may take that into consideration in future hiring, buying, and investing decisions.

chronic25 13y ago
And there are tens of thousands of skilled applicants willing to work for the NSA even if a thousand turn them down due to their policies.
mjolk 13y ago
>If you're the kind of person they want to hire, you have lots of fantastic other choices. So choose something else. I am the kind of person they'd want to hire and what has kept me from applying is the relative low pay and not being in my area. As an engineer, you'd get access to cool tech in an interesting domain. >And if you do decide to help code the surveillance state, the rest of us may take that into consideration in future hiring, buying, and investing decisions. Really? Because you don't use Amazon, Microsoft, Google? You wouldn't hire a qualified candidate if she had worked at the NSA?
- bostonvaulter2 13y ago
  So are you saying that the actions that the NSA have taken are not against your conscience? If so, then I would hesitate to hire you because ethical and conscience-based decisions are key to having trust in employees.
  - mjolk 13y ago
    >If so, then I would hesitate to hire you because ethical and conscience-based decisions are key to having trust in employees. Because every employee working for the NSA is doing a-thing-that-you-don't-like(tm) and not something different or important. I wouldn't want to work for someone that simplifies complex issues anyway.
- atomicfiredoll 13y ago
  In this scenario, the qualifications of the person or what function they served at the NSA is pretty much irrelevant. (That said, as a hiring manager I wouldn't take what a former NSA employee told me about the functions they served at face value.) The poster is brainstorming ways in which average citizens could cripple an organization seen as out of control. While this particular method may hurt the individuals who work there, and leave the overall hiring a little less unqualified, it doesn't mean that the idea has no credence.

by ef4 13y ago

chronic25 13y ago

And there are tens of thousands of skilled applicants willing to work for the NSA even if a thousand turn them down due to their policies.

mjolk 13y ago

>If you're the kind of person they want to hire, you have lots of fantastic other choices. So choose something else. I am the kind of person they'd want to hire and what has kept me from applying is the relative low pay and not being in my area. As an engineer, you'd get access to cool tech in an interesting domain. >And if you do decide to help code the surveillance state, the rest of us may take that into consideration in future hiring, buying, and investing decisions. Really? Because you don't use Amazon, Microsoft, Google? You wouldn't hire a qualified candidate if she had worked at the NSA?

bostonvaulter2 13y ago
So are you saying that the actions that the NSA have taken are not against your conscience? If so, then I would hesitate to hire you because ethical and conscience-based decisions are key to having trust in employees.
- mjolk 13y ago
  >If so, then I would hesitate to hire you because ethical and conscience-based decisions are key to having trust in employees. Because every employee working for the NSA is doing a-thing-that-you-don't-like(tm) and not something different or important. I wouldn't want to work for someone that simplifies complex issues anyway.
atomicfiredoll 13y ago
In this scenario, the qualifications of the person or what function they served at the NSA is pretty much irrelevant. (That said, as a hiring manager I wouldn't take what a former NSA employee told me about the functions they served at face value.) The poster is brainstorming ways in which average citizens could cripple an organization seen as out of control. While this particular method may hurt the individuals who work there, and leave the overall hiring a little less unqualified, it doesn't mean that the idea has no credence.