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And the actual problem that cancer is a symptom of is that we have bodies. So we should really be working towards the Matrix, not doing dead-end research on cur

And the actual problem that cancer is a symptom of is that we have bodies. So we should really be working towards the Matrix, not doing dead-end research on curing or treating diseases.

whatevsbro 13y ago
You're not following, but that's expected. It's not exactly difficult to see reasons for why governments should not exist. They're all around you, and there are countless of them. As a very simple example, why are laws like SOPA and CISPA passed in secret, unless there's a massive uprising against them? Obviously, they're passed in secret, or stealthily, or all of a sudden - they're just rammed through exactly because they know the people would be against these laws if they only fucking KNEW ABOUT THEM. Did you think defeating SOPA would be meaningful in the grand scheme of things? If they're passing one law that's harmful to the masses and against their will, why wouldn't they pass another? .. and another, and another? Well, if they're passing harmful and unnecessary laws all the fucking time, do you think they just might not be on your side? I mean, how difficult is it to figure out that "your" representatives don't actually represent you? They're constantly passing laws that are against your will, after all. Oh, and they're extorting you too! (It's called "taxation" to make it more palatable) Now then, since it's obvious that the government and its legislators are not on your side - contrary to what people commonly believe, strangely enough - doesn't it make you wonder whether having a government is a good idea in the first place?
- j2kun 13y ago
  Yeah, having roads and running water are just awful. Schools, sanitation, energy, parks, rights for minorities and laborers. I just HATE that stuff.
  - poly88 13y ago
    It's pretty sad that you and others have been indoctrinated into thinking that only government can provide those things.
  - whatevsbro 13y ago
    Ah, this again. Is there something special about all those services that makes them impossible to provide with money that has not been extorted from millions of people?
    - westward 13y ago
      Yes. It's called a coordination problem: http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#coordination_problems http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#coordination_problems
      - whatevsbro 13y ago
        That FUD is not relevant to my question, and I don't have the time and energy to dissect his contrived, unrealistic fearmongering scenario now. But for example, why would other people let Mike pollute the water despite everyone else having signed the "Filter Pact"? Mike's selfish actions would directly affect other people making a living, and therefore, some kind of intervention would be warranted - and would happen too! After that, everything is fine again. Even if you're silly enough to argue against your own freedom, you can't just leave things at presenting a problem, expecting it would not get solved, and thinking you've proven that freedom "doesn't work".
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  It's not difficult to see that government should not exist ... Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? No one should take you seriously; I don't see what espousing that ideology is going to get you.
  - whatevsbro 13y ago
    > Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Did you even read what I wrote? But I get it. It's difficult to process this information. > No one should take you seriously Don't just take my word for it. Go investigate the collective works of the people I listed above. If you do that, you'll agree with me (unless you've been severely traumatized as a child). > I don't see what espousing that ideology is going to get you. Me? -Possibly nothing. But it's good if I can help ordinary people everywhere avoid whatever seriously unpleasant fate awaits us all if we don't wake up in time. People not being subjected to coercion is not much of an ideology by the way.

And the actual problem that cancer is a symptom of is that we have bodies. So we should really be working towards the Matrix, not doing dead-end research on curing or treating diseases.

whatevsbro 13y ago

You're not following, but that's expected. It's not exactly difficult to see reasons for why governments should not exist. They're all around you, and there are countless of them. As a very simple example, why are laws like SOPA and CISPA passed in secret, unless there's a massive uprising against them? Obviously, they're passed in secret, or stealthily, or all of a sudden - they're just rammed through exactly because they know the people would be against these laws if they only fucking KNEW ABOUT THEM. Did you think defeating SOPA would be meaningful in the grand scheme of things? If they're passing one law that's harmful to the masses and against their will, why wouldn't they pass another? .. and another, and another? Well, if they're passing harmful and unnecessary laws all the fucking time, do you think they just might not be on your side? I mean, how difficult is it to figure out that "your" representatives don't actually represent you? They're constantly passing laws that are against your will, after all. Oh, and they're extorting you too! (It's called "taxation" to make it more palatable) Now then, since it's obvious that the government and its legislators are not on your side - contrary to what people commonly believe, strangely enough - doesn't it make you wonder whether having a government is a good idea in the first place?

j2kun 13y ago
Yeah, having roads and running water are just awful. Schools, sanitation, energy, parks, rights for minorities and laborers. I just HATE that stuff.
- poly88 13y ago
  It's pretty sad that you and others have been indoctrinated into thinking that only government can provide those things.
- whatevsbro 13y ago
  Ah, this again. Is there something special about all those services that makes them impossible to provide with money that has not been extorted from millions of people?
  - westward 13y ago
    Yes. It's called a coordination problem: http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#coordination_problems http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#coordination_problems
    - whatevsbro 13y ago
      That FUD is not relevant to my question, and I don't have the time and energy to dissect his contrived, unrealistic fearmongering scenario now. But for example, why would other people let Mike pollute the water despite everyone else having signed the "Filter Pact"? Mike's selfish actions would directly affect other people making a living, and therefore, some kind of intervention would be warranted - and would happen too! After that, everything is fine again. Even if you're silly enough to argue against your own freedom, you can't just leave things at presenting a problem, expecting it would not get solved, and thinking you've proven that freedom "doesn't work".
dinkumthinkum 13y ago
It's not difficult to see that government should not exist ... Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? No one should take you seriously; I don't see what espousing that ideology is going to get you.
- whatevsbro 13y ago
  > Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Did you even read what I wrote? But I get it. It's difficult to process this information. > No one should take you seriously Don't just take my word for it. Go investigate the collective works of the people I listed above. If you do that, you'll agree with me (unless you've been severely traumatized as a child). > I don't see what espousing that ideology is going to get you. Me? -Possibly nothing. But it's good if I can help ordinary people everywhere avoid whatever seriously unpleasant fate awaits us all if we don't wake up in time. People not being subjected to coercion is not much of an ideology by the way.