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I honestly think this is naive at best, and at worst useful idiocy on behalf of the companies dependent on the illusion the aim is even achievable. Mass survei

I honestly think this is naive at best, and at worst useful idiocy on behalf of the companies dependent on the illusion the aim is even achievable. Mass surveillance, if technically possible, is going to happen. Therefore make services where it isn't possible. If that screws with your business model you're part of the problem.

Shivetya 13y ago
I do not put much faith in it simply because I bet the majority of people who are behind this voted for the guy in charge and will vote for the next person that same party put up all because they cannot think rationally. As in, you vote for a candidate who is protected by identity politics you will never have a voice. You vote for a politician who adheres to the D or R and your just doing nothing.
- BrandonMarc 13y ago
  I wish I could upvote this 10x.
danielweber 13y ago
I'm put off because "The Day We Fight Back" sounds like something a 17 year old would say. Are they forming a political action committee and hiring professionals? That is boring stodgy stuff but it's the boring stuff that makes up politics and has a good track record of being successful.
Loughla 13y ago
"Mass surveillance, if technically possible, is going to happen. Therefore make services where it isn't possible. If that screws with your business model you're part of the problem." Let's just extrapolate this. Mass surveillance is possible because of the connected style of world we live in. Anything that is created can be corrupted in some fashion by world governments or corporations looking for an advantage. Therefore, we shouldn't do anything, because it's hopeless, or we should make something that is so needlessly complicated that no one will use it. For Christ's sake, does your sense of superiority feel better now that you've poo-pooed this entire thing? Do you know what makes mass surveillance and government abuse in general quite successful and allows it to keep happening? Apathy and arrogance. Either you're so smart that you see this will always happen, so you can beat it for yourself, but not anyone else; or there is no way to fix it for everyone, so why even try. You're right, this isn't achievable. UNLESS YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEM. Like it or not, dirty or not, the current political system is what we have, and you have to work within it. That means talking to people, calling, writing letters to the editor, donating money, forming local groups, doing all of the old-school things that our representatives respond to. It doesn't mean resigning yourself to defeat before even fighting. You don't like the way this initiative is running? Then pull your head out of your own ass and get involved in the real world. Take your almighty skills and put them to use for everyone, not just yourself. You're just as much a part of the problem as those other people seek to disrupt. Sorry. Much rant.
- fidotron 13y ago
  Oddly we had an international phone system that worked without routing all calls through servers in the US before, and the same could and should be done for cloud services. We should move to a model where the end user has a cloud end point in their own jurisdiction which contains all the apps and services they want. Stuff like docker looks a lot like an enabling technology. For example, this means Google shouldn't host gmail, but it should be available as a component for local hosting. But we should be clear, the problem is not governments (there will always be bad ones every now and again), it's naive companies that believe that if they collect the data it's not going to be stolen from them. I would go so far as to say regulating the companies to prevent this stupidity is more likely to effect actual change than attempting to regulate the government.

Shivetya 13y ago

I do not put much faith in it simply because I bet the majority of people who are behind this voted for the guy in charge and will vote for the next person that same party put up all because they cannot think rationally. As in, you vote for a candidate who is protected by identity politics you will never have a voice. You vote for a politician who adheres to the D or R and your just doing nothing.

BrandonMarc 13y ago
I wish I could upvote this 10x.

danielweber 13y ago

I'm put off because "The Day We Fight Back" sounds like something a 17 year old would say. Are they forming a political action committee and hiring professionals? That is boring stodgy stuff but it's the boring stuff that makes up politics and has a good track record of being successful.

Loughla 13y ago

"Mass surveillance, if technically possible, is going to happen. Therefore make services where it isn't possible. If that screws with your business model you're part of the problem." Let's just extrapolate this. Mass surveillance is possible because of the connected style of world we live in. Anything that is created can be corrupted in some fashion by world governments or corporations looking for an advantage. Therefore, we shouldn't do anything, because it's hopeless, or we should make something that is so needlessly complicated that no one will use it. For Christ's sake, does your sense of superiority feel better now that you've poo-pooed this entire thing? Do you know what makes mass surveillance and government abuse in general quite successful and allows it to keep happening? Apathy and arrogance. Either you're so smart that you see this will always happen, so you can beat it for yourself, but not anyone else; or there is no way to fix it for everyone, so why even try. You're right, this isn't achievable. UNLESS YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEM. Like it or not, dirty or not, the current political system is what we have, and you have to work within it. That means talking to people, calling, writing letters to the editor, donating money, forming local groups, doing all of the old-school things that our representatives respond to. It doesn't mean resigning yourself to defeat before even fighting. You don't like the way this initiative is running? Then pull your head out of your own ass and get involved in the real world. Take your almighty skills and put them to use for everyone, not just yourself. You're just as much a part of the problem as those other people seek to disrupt. Sorry. Much rant.

fidotron 13y ago
Oddly we had an international phone system that worked without routing all calls through servers in the US before, and the same could and should be done for cloud services. We should move to a model where the end user has a cloud end point in their own jurisdiction which contains all the apps and services they want. Stuff like docker looks a lot like an enabling technology. For example, this means Google shouldn't host gmail, but it should be available as a component for local hosting. But we should be clear, the problem is not governments (there will always be bad ones every now and again), it's naive companies that believe that if they collect the data it's not going to be stolen from them. I would go so far as to say regulating the companies to prevent this stupidity is more likely to effect actual change than attempting to regulate the government.