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Dutchmen here. You can grow your own weed as well. Just not more than 5 plants and only for your own consumption. I'm no user, but I understand weed is for tour

Dutchmen here. You can grow your own weed as well. Just not more than 5 plants and only for your own consumption. I'm no user, but I understand weed is for tourists and younger kids just chillin'/relaxing. There's a much larger user base for all those chemically created drugs for partying. Lately there's a new thing, it's actually for horses needing surgery and keeps them on their feet. Kids use it to prefent passing out from all the other drugs. Funny thing is: They look like walking zombies stumbling about.

013 13y ago
>Lately there's a new thing, it's actually for horses needing surgery and keeps them on their feet. Kids use it to prefent passing out from all the other drugs. Funny thing is: They look like walking zombies stumbling about. Ketamine. [0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
- nicholassmith 13y ago
  Doesn't sound like ketamine completely. Whilst it'll zombify you pretty quickly, it won't prevent you from passing out from other drugs as you can 'k-hole' on it pretty quickly and pass out. Butorphanol is what seems more likely from a bit of internet sleuthing (but I imagine it'll have a more jazzy name in the club).
  - diydsp 13y ago
    http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Butorphanol.shtml http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Butorphano... Interesting. It's not available from the front page of erowid, so it must be somewhat new. It doesn't appear to have an interesting street name from this handful of reports. At least its prescription, so it's not some god-awful thing, but it is an opiate, so somewhat dangerous.
    - nicholassmith 13y ago
      It sounds pretty new, my google search didn't have links to human use newer than about 2/3 years ago.
- 70forty 13y ago
  Ketamine is hardly a new trend in recreational drug use and I've never heard of it being used by anyone to prevent "passing out from all the other drugs". Ketamine in high but still sub-anesthetic doses induces a semi-conscious state referred to as the "k-hole", more or less giving the appearance of being passed out. At lower doses it does strongly effect balance and coordination, so the "stumbling" bit is probably justified. Ketamine is exceptionally safe and relatively non-addictive BTW, though in my experience not all that enjoyable. GP needs to save the horror stories and fear mongering for MDPV, NBOMEes, etc. which arose as alternatives to much safer but highly contraband substances like LSD, MDMA, etc. with difficult-to-source precursors.
  - JonnieCache 13y ago
    >Ketamine is exceptionally safe and relatively non-addictive BTW This is dangerous misinformation. I've had more than one friend almost die from compulsive ketamine use. Just because it might not be physiologically addictive like opiates, doesn't mean that you won't be wiping it from around your nose every morning while you wait for the bus at 8:30 to go to classes, losing all your friends and so much weight that your body starts shutting down completely. People end up needing their bladders removed surgically from the sheer amount of extremely alkaline solutions they are putting into their bodies. Tolerance builds very quickly and with a sharp curve, so users end up having to shovel huge quantities of this very caustic material into their faces just to feel normal. (Thankfully the people I know managed to come back from the brink, but only by completely shutting themselves off from the world for a long time.) The problem is, its effects are "light" enough that it is possible to use it all day every day, and still be functional enough to carry on. People who enjoy the effects and have a compulsive personality will probably end up using it constantly if the have access to it. In this respect it is similar to weed, and alcohol, although that has a physiological component too. Plus it turns you into a drooling moron and ruins parties. We call it "twatnip."
    - adobriyan 13y ago
      Any reasonable public forum will flat out ban any drug discussions because of experts like 70forty who tell kids it is safe.
- ramblerman 13y ago
  Ketamine is certainly not new (on the street or other). And as it is an anaesthetic, I highly doubt it would be used to prevent passing out. So yeah... you got the wikipedia link right
malka 13y ago
are you saying that there are more user of `hard` drug than user of weed in dutch ? this seems really weird.
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  Until not that long ago we had similar 'non-enforcement in practice' for small amounts of XTC pills and under a gram of cocaine. In general Dutch policy is/was about allowing and educating towards responsible use which means that, especially in big cities and certain big parties, there is a subculture where hard-drug use is condoned and to some degree par for the course. Culturally minimal responsible use (a tablet once or twice a year, a line of cocaine to extend a party once) is considered as 'your choice and I'll try not to look down on you for it,' but any form of dependence is heavily frowned upon and discouraged. In general it's part of a broader theme of giving you the freedom to make your own mistakes as long as they don't negatively impact others, which comes with a lot of implicit cultural experience in how to let people experiment and come to their own terms with these drugs without losing them to the drug. In practice it tends to take the form of most people 'going through a phase' and growing out of it, a small amount of people becoming high-functioning long-term addicts and an even smaller percentage of in-the-gutter destroy-your-life type addicts.
- nmc 13y ago
  Would not surprise me at all. Despite the well-known image of the street filled with coffee-shops, really a few Dutch people smoke: less than 5% of them use the coffee-shops, and less than 10% of 15-24-year-olds.
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ohwp 13y ago
Dutchmen here. No you cannot have or grow plants. This is still illegal. They might shelve the case when you are having 5 plants or less. But above 5 they always make a case of it. And yes Ketamine (Special K / Vitamin K / Kokaine) is used as party drug, but alcohol, weed and nicotine are used most followed by XTC and cocaine.
- dep_b 13y ago
  Another Dutchman here. Indeed it's true that it's illegal to grow pot. Growing pot is completely illegal apart from some medicinal use, where they try to grow a variety that will not get you super high but still has medicinal value. Let me make it clear: THERE IS NO WAY A COFFEESHOP CAN GET THEIR WEED IN A LEGAL WAY Since the turn of the century we have seen a string of conservative governments, elected because other problems in our society, that like to clamp down on drugs and other liberal things because it makes them look tough without having to deal with the true problems in this country. Indeed it is very strange that a country that has a vast majority of people in favor of legalization, as we have been the witnesses of the fact that regulated drugs have a positive effect on society. Just to sum up how clueless our governments were in the last 12 year or so, an image of a former president that just says it all: http://tegekvoorwoorden.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/balkenende_188907x.jpg http://tegekvoorwoorden.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/balkenen... FUCK DRUGS. LET'S HAVE A BEER!

013 13y ago

>Lately there's a new thing, it's actually for horses needing surgery and keeps them on their feet. Kids use it to prefent passing out from all the other drugs. Funny thing is: They look like walking zombies stumbling about. Ketamine. [0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

nicholassmith 13y ago
Doesn't sound like ketamine completely. Whilst it'll zombify you pretty quickly, it won't prevent you from passing out from other drugs as you can 'k-hole' on it pretty quickly and pass out. Butorphanol is what seems more likely from a bit of internet sleuthing (but I imagine it'll have a more jazzy name in the club).
- diydsp 13y ago
  http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Butorphanol.shtml http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Butorphano... Interesting. It's not available from the front page of erowid, so it must be somewhat new. It doesn't appear to have an interesting street name from this handful of reports. At least its prescription, so it's not some god-awful thing, but it is an opiate, so somewhat dangerous.
  - nicholassmith 13y ago
    It sounds pretty new, my google search didn't have links to human use newer than about 2/3 years ago.
70forty 13y ago
Ketamine is hardly a new trend in recreational drug use and I've never heard of it being used by anyone to prevent "passing out from all the other drugs". Ketamine in high but still sub-anesthetic doses induces a semi-conscious state referred to as the "k-hole", more or less giving the appearance of being passed out. At lower doses it does strongly effect balance and coordination, so the "stumbling" bit is probably justified. Ketamine is exceptionally safe and relatively non-addictive BTW, though in my experience not all that enjoyable. GP needs to save the horror stories and fear mongering for MDPV, NBOMEes, etc. which arose as alternatives to much safer but highly contraband substances like LSD, MDMA, etc. with difficult-to-source precursors.
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  >Ketamine is exceptionally safe and relatively non-addictive BTW This is dangerous misinformation. I've had more than one friend almost die from compulsive ketamine use. Just because it might not be physiologically addictive like opiates, doesn't mean that you won't be wiping it from around your nose every morning while you wait for the bus at 8:30 to go to classes, losing all your friends and so much weight that your body starts shutting down completely. People end up needing their bladders removed surgically from the sheer amount of extremely alkaline solutions they are putting into their bodies. Tolerance builds very quickly and with a sharp curve, so users end up having to shovel huge quantities of this very caustic material into their faces just to feel normal. (Thankfully the people I know managed to come back from the brink, but only by completely shutting themselves off from the world for a long time.) The problem is, its effects are "light" enough that it is possible to use it all day every day, and still be functional enough to carry on. People who enjoy the effects and have a compulsive personality will probably end up using it constantly if the have access to it. In this respect it is similar to weed, and alcohol, although that has a physiological component too. Plus it turns you into a drooling moron and ruins parties. We call it "twatnip."
  - adobriyan 13y ago
    Any reasonable public forum will flat out ban any drug discussions because of experts like 70forty who tell kids it is safe.
ramblerman 13y ago
Ketamine is certainly not new (on the street or other). And as it is an anaesthetic, I highly doubt it would be used to prevent passing out. So yeah... you got the wikipedia link right

malka 13y ago

are you saying that there are more user of `hard` drug than user of weed in dutch ? this seems really weird.

mtrimpe 13y ago
Until not that long ago we had similar 'non-enforcement in practice' for small amounts of XTC pills and under a gram of cocaine. In general Dutch policy is/was about allowing and educating towards responsible use which means that, especially in big cities and certain big parties, there is a subculture where hard-drug use is condoned and to some degree par for the course. Culturally minimal responsible use (a tablet once or twice a year, a line of cocaine to extend a party once) is considered as 'your choice and I'll try not to look down on you for it,' but any form of dependence is heavily frowned upon and discouraged. In general it's part of a broader theme of giving you the freedom to make your own mistakes as long as they don't negatively impact others, which comes with a lot of implicit cultural experience in how to let people experiment and come to their own terms with these drugs without losing them to the drug. In practice it tends to take the form of most people 'going through a phase' and growing out of it, a small amount of people becoming high-functioning long-term addicts and an even smaller percentage of in-the-gutter destroy-your-life type addicts.
nmc 13y ago
Would not surprise me at all. Despite the well-known image of the street filled with coffee-shops, really a few Dutch people smoke: less than 5% of them use the coffee-shops, and less than 10% of 15-24-year-olds.

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ohwp 13y ago

Dutchmen here. No you cannot have or grow plants. This is still illegal. They might shelve the case when you are having 5 plants or less. But above 5 they always make a case of it. And yes Ketamine (Special K / Vitamin K / Kokaine) is used as party drug, but alcohol, weed and nicotine are used most followed by XTC and cocaine.

dep_b 13y ago
Another Dutchman here. Indeed it's true that it's illegal to grow pot. Growing pot is completely illegal apart from some medicinal use, where they try to grow a variety that will not get you super high but still has medicinal value. Let me make it clear: THERE IS NO WAY A COFFEESHOP CAN GET THEIR WEED IN A LEGAL WAY Since the turn of the century we have seen a string of conservative governments, elected because other problems in our society, that like to clamp down on drugs and other liberal things because it makes them look tough without having to deal with the true problems in this country. Indeed it is very strange that a country that has a vast majority of people in favor of legalization, as we have been the witnesses of the fact that regulated drugs have a positive effect on society. Just to sum up how clueless our governments were in the last 12 year or so, an image of a former president that just says it all: http://tegekvoorwoorden.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/balkenende_188907x.jpg http://tegekvoorwoorden.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/balkenen... FUCK DRUGS. LET'S HAVE A BEER!