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You would be surprised. It wasn't long ago when I met an intelligent and otherwise very well informed American who truly believed that the "socialized" Canadian

You would be surprised. It wasn't long ago when I met an intelligent and otherwise very well informed American who truly believed that the "socialized" Canadian healthcare system was a 3rd rate disaster and feared any change to the precious US system would lead to a similar situation. Don't get me wrong he acknowledged it wasn't great, but there is more than sufficient doubt and confusion amongst most Americans with regards to what the actual problem is an how to fix it to prevent any kind of attempt and changing things.

jwdunne 13y ago
I'm from the UK. The NHS is shambles and is spread very, very thin. Doctors are pissed off. Patients are pissed off. The government seems to be too. However I would prefer the 3 hour A&E (ER) waiting times, being spoken to like shit if it isn't as serious as originally thought and epic waiting lists for outpatient services than having companies profit from my health and the massive vulnerability that puts me in (on top of just bad health). Even for all the bad of the NHS, when things really to hit the fan, I can be sure I get seen to ASAP when it is deadly serious. Just last month my pregnant fiancée was very ill with an infection and she was examined straight away at A&E, bypassing the 3 hour waiting time. It's for cases like here that the 3 hour wait is in place. There was no cost to me for any of that, perhaps except national insurance which is very small payments out of my pay packet each month a d the £7 for the course of anti-biotics The real problem is how do we adequately reward doctors who spend such a massive amount of effort and time not just in school but in work? The NYS cannot do this, there are targets like "15 mins per patient on ward rounds". Each doctor needs to spend 10 years in the NHS before private practice. How is a system like this sustainable with a massive budget deficit to boot and government that would like to see its end?
- arethuza 13y ago
  "The NHS is shambles" In 2013 my son received treatment from NHS Scotland for a very serious eye infection and, later on, a nasty shoulder injury - in both cases the care was fantastic and even though I have private health insurance I never thought about using it. I know lots of people have problems with the NHS (a few years back my wife got some care that was less than "caring" - but that seemed to be a staff problem) but generally the experiences of our family has been excellent.
  - jdswain 13y ago
    In my experience the location matters. I sprained my ankle in Edinburgh once, and the hospital visit was almost enjoyable. The staff were great. Where I live in London, it's not so great. They have to deal with a lot of annoying drunks and are overworked, but also the place was just not very clean. Our local A&E is closing down too.
- cowls 13y ago
  The NHS is not a shambles. Its puts a lot of other countries health care system to shame. Your moaning about having a 3 hour wait for non urgent cases, when in other countries you'd have to pay a fortune for such treatment. And who cares how they talk to you, as long as you end up getting the treatment you need that's all that matters.
  - sp332 13y ago
    jwdunne said "I would prefer the 3 hour A&E (ER) waiting times".
  - jwdunne 13y ago
    As a patient, I'm not really arsed. As a patient, I actively discourage putting strain on the system when unnecessary. I'm really moaning about how doctors are treated, and they are spread thin and are not rewarded by the system fairly by the effort they put in. The targets in place mean they cannot give patients the care they want to give, meaning there is little intrinsic motivation too. I care, many people care. When you're feeling like shit, you don't want to be made to feel worse. It's simple. I don't mind a 3 hour wait. The 3 hour wait just shows how thin doctors are spread. Lets face it, a 3 hour wait for any sick person in an uncomfortable chair is NOT going to do them any good.
- chrisseaton 13y ago
  Your fiancée shouldn't have had to pay for a prescription if she's pregnant.
  - arethuza 13y ago
    Looks like you need a form: http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/941.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCategoryID=161#close http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/941.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCatego... Which sounds a bit bureaucratic but it does also mean you get free prescriptions for 12 months after the birth. Of course, in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland there are no prescription charges...
- thorin 13y ago
  I just had a baby daughter. The care was excellent at a hospital a couple of miles from home. At one point we had 3 midwives helping, then the anaesthetist and for the delivery we had 3 doctors at one point. After-birth care was great too and we were encouraged to stay at the hospital until we felt comfortable going home all the while with adequate food and a private room. We had to go to A and E with our daughter a couple of weeks ago. We were seen before I even had time to park my car after dropping off the wife and baby! The doctor and nurse were both very supportive and were happy to see us even reassuring us that we were absolutely right to come in even though no treatment was required in the end. Around 10 years ago I had months of physio on the NHS and a series of consultant appointments. I was very happy with the service. Yes, the NHS is struggling like all public services, but the media seem keen to trash the NHS and force us into privacy to keep the (mainly conservative) MP's happy and help their friends get the big contracts. It makes mistakes and isn't perfect but in general I've had good experiences. I've also had surgery and a lengthy hospital stay in California. An excellent standard of service but at a massive cost (fortunately fully paid by my travel insurance). I'd prefer the service as it is in the UK where everyone is equal insurance or not even if the quality is not quite as high as places where the end user is paying for the service.
- thenomad 13y ago
  My girlfriend just had a major operation on the NHS. The pre-op preparation was really impressive, the operation itself was astonishingly quick and well-performed (I was not expecting her to be conscious and talking 2 hours after having a non-trivial part of her body replaced), the post-operative care was pretty decent but certainly not terrible, and the physiotherapy support and general aftercare was good to great. They provided the equipment she'd need to get about the house and keep up her normal life whilst she was recovering, and in general, the whole experience was good to excellent.

jwdunne 13y ago

I'm from the UK. The NHS is shambles and is spread very, very thin. Doctors are pissed off. Patients are pissed off. The government seems to be too. However I would prefer the 3 hour A&E (ER) waiting times, being spoken to like shit if it isn't as serious as originally thought and epic waiting lists for outpatient services than having companies profit from my health and the massive vulnerability that puts me in (on top of just bad health). Even for all the bad of the NHS, when things really to hit the fan, I can be sure I get seen to ASAP when it is deadly serious. Just last month my pregnant fiancée was very ill with an infection and she was examined straight away at A&E, bypassing the 3 hour waiting time. It's for cases like here that the 3 hour wait is in place. There was no cost to me for any of that, perhaps except national insurance which is very small payments out of my pay packet each month a d the £7 for the course of anti-biotics The real problem is how do we adequately reward doctors who spend such a massive amount of effort and time not just in school but in work? The NYS cannot do this, there are targets like "15 mins per patient on ward rounds". Each doctor needs to spend 10 years in the NHS before private practice. How is a system like this sustainable with a massive budget deficit to boot and government that would like to see its end?

arethuza 13y ago
"The NHS is shambles" In 2013 my son received treatment from NHS Scotland for a very serious eye infection and, later on, a nasty shoulder injury - in both cases the care was fantastic and even though I have private health insurance I never thought about using it. I know lots of people have problems with the NHS (a few years back my wife got some care that was less than "caring" - but that seemed to be a staff problem) but generally the experiences of our family has been excellent.
- jdswain 13y ago
  In my experience the location matters. I sprained my ankle in Edinburgh once, and the hospital visit was almost enjoyable. The staff were great. Where I live in London, it's not so great. They have to deal with a lot of annoying drunks and are overworked, but also the place was just not very clean. Our local A&E is closing down too.
cowls 13y ago
The NHS is not a shambles. Its puts a lot of other countries health care system to shame. Your moaning about having a 3 hour wait for non urgent cases, when in other countries you'd have to pay a fortune for such treatment. And who cares how they talk to you, as long as you end up getting the treatment you need that's all that matters.
- sp332 13y ago
  jwdunne said "I would prefer the 3 hour A&E (ER) waiting times".
- jwdunne 13y ago
  As a patient, I'm not really arsed. As a patient, I actively discourage putting strain on the system when unnecessary. I'm really moaning about how doctors are treated, and they are spread thin and are not rewarded by the system fairly by the effort they put in. The targets in place mean they cannot give patients the care they want to give, meaning there is little intrinsic motivation too. I care, many people care. When you're feeling like shit, you don't want to be made to feel worse. It's simple. I don't mind a 3 hour wait. The 3 hour wait just shows how thin doctors are spread. Lets face it, a 3 hour wait for any sick person in an uncomfortable chair is NOT going to do them any good.
chrisseaton 13y ago
Your fiancée shouldn't have had to pay for a prescription if she's pregnant.
- arethuza 13y ago
  Looks like you need a form: http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/941.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCategoryID=161#close http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/941.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCatego... Which sounds a bit bureaucratic but it does also mean you get free prescriptions for 12 months after the birth. Of course, in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland there are no prescription charges...
thorin 13y ago
I just had a baby daughter. The care was excellent at a hospital a couple of miles from home. At one point we had 3 midwives helping, then the anaesthetist and for the delivery we had 3 doctors at one point. After-birth care was great too and we were encouraged to stay at the hospital until we felt comfortable going home all the while with adequate food and a private room. We had to go to A and E with our daughter a couple of weeks ago. We were seen before I even had time to park my car after dropping off the wife and baby! The doctor and nurse were both very supportive and were happy to see us even reassuring us that we were absolutely right to come in even though no treatment was required in the end. Around 10 years ago I had months of physio on the NHS and a series of consultant appointments. I was very happy with the service. Yes, the NHS is struggling like all public services, but the media seem keen to trash the NHS and force us into privacy to keep the (mainly conservative) MP's happy and help their friends get the big contracts. It makes mistakes and isn't perfect but in general I've had good experiences. I've also had surgery and a lengthy hospital stay in California. An excellent standard of service but at a massive cost (fortunately fully paid by my travel insurance). I'd prefer the service as it is in the UK where everyone is equal insurance or not even if the quality is not quite as high as places where the end user is paying for the service.
thenomad 13y ago
My girlfriend just had a major operation on the NHS. The pre-op preparation was really impressive, the operation itself was astonishingly quick and well-performed (I was not expecting her to be conscious and talking 2 hours after having a non-trivial part of her body replaced), the post-operative care was pretty decent but certainly not terrible, and the physiotherapy support and general aftercare was good to great. They provided the equipment she'd need to get about the house and keep up her normal life whilst she was recovering, and in general, the whole experience was good to excellent.