I tried to read more of your links, but I didn't get all of them. "http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06pre.html" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06

I tried to read more of your links, but I didn't get all of them. "http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06pre.html" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06pre.html" This unfortunately doesn't give any details, it's basically just "my research has shown that xyz is true" - an appeal to authority. Maybe there is something to it. But the author has a girl as a kid. I'm a man. You may be surprised to hear that the same things she claims are socialization for girls have also been taught to me. Namely that I should be humble and recognition will come to me and all those things. Those are actually just basic "good behavior" for everyone. Therefore I am sorry, but I remain skeptic. "http://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2012/07/02/nice-girl..." http://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2012/07/02/nice-girl... This link is of horribly low quality. "Studies show that women are less likely to negotiate deals than men for 2 reasons: Women are socialized to place the needs of others first and their own second Women believe that they will be recognized and rewarded for their hard work and dedication " Uh yeah as I said - that is basically what everybody is being taught, not just women. Likewise the advice they give is good for everybody. There are scores of books full of career advice, for men and women. It's not as if men don't need it because they are naturals at it. "http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201..." http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201... I knew that one before and it is actually to date one of the few "feminist" papers that I accept as valid. However, I don't think the conclusion of sexism is necessarily correct. It seems clear from that research that men and women alike consider a female applicant less valuable. But what if the concern about the applicant dropping out to become a mother is a major factor of that. Would that really be sexism? To me it seems like a rational and valid reason. It is of course unfortunate for women, but what would be a good solution to counteract it? "We can't know that because society treats baby girls different from baby boys at birth." From that alone it doesn't follow that boys and girls could be raised with arbitrary socialization rules. Those rules probably evolved. Some differences in preferences, or in incentives, are obviously dictated by biology. You've probably heard it before: women need to invest 9 months and the risk of death into a pregnancy. Men just need to invest 10 seconds. I'll try to read more of the papers then I might write more - if HN lets me. Usually they kill my account around the 30 karma points region. So if I don't reply any further, it's because HN killed my account. In that case: it was nice talking to you!