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Your information is badly out of date. Studies have been consistently showing biology beating culture for the last 20 years.

by wmil 13y ago

dalke 13y ago
What are these studies? The metadata studies I've heard about say otherwise. That is, some studies say one thing, other studies say the opposite, and so it's impossible to really conclude anything by choosing a subset of the literature. For a recent lay presentation on this topic, see http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2014/02/03/ftbcon2-evidence-based-feminism-w-full-transcript/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2014/02/03/ftbcon2-e... . At the top is a link to a Google document ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1slJbQpPTlg_m6cKgsarzGLqYNfEpuvmqv4QTV303Fro/edit?pli=1 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1slJbQpPTlg_m6cKgsarzGLqY... ) with full citations.
- ll123 13y ago
  Here are some I think are interesting. http://www.isna.org/node/564 http://www.isna.org/node/564 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer They talk about male babies who were sexually reassigned at birth and given female hormones. However many of them decided to reidentify as males later on life, showing that even with female hormones and a female upbringing, it was not enough to make them adopt a female gender identity. I wouldn't say this is conclusive evidence. But I think it's enough to show that people should keep an open mind about this subject.
  - hcarvalhoalves 13y ago
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer I'm learning about this now. Shocking. This could pass as some story about medical experiments during nazy germany.
withad 13y ago
Can you show me some of these studies? I just pointed out the problematic lack of citations in the article and your dismissive comment alone isn't going to change my mind. If there's solid evidence one way or the other, I'd be genuinely interested to see it. And even if they do happen to agree with actual good science, the few studies presented here still don't "explain" anything and this Live Science post is decidedly shonky science reporting (and calling it that is frankly generous).
saraid216 13y ago
Well of course. Culture is a function of biology. So biology has been beating biology. QED.
aestra 13y ago
Your information is completely without citation.

Your information is badly out of date. Studies have been consistently showing biology beating culture for the last 20 years.

by wmil 13y ago

Your information is badly out of date. Studies have been consistently showing biology beating culture for the last 20 years.

dalke 13y ago

What are these studies? The metadata studies I've heard about say otherwise. That is, some studies say one thing, other studies say the opposite, and so it's impossible to really conclude anything by choosing a subset of the literature. For a recent lay presentation on this topic, see http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2014/02/03/ftbcon2-evidence-based-feminism-w-full-transcript/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2014/02/03/ftbcon2-e... . At the top is a link to a Google document ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1slJbQpPTlg_m6cKgsarzGLqYNfEpuvmqv4QTV303Fro/edit?pli=1 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1slJbQpPTlg_m6cKgsarzGLqY... ) with full citations.

ll123 13y ago
Here are some I think are interesting. http://www.isna.org/node/564 http://www.isna.org/node/564 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer They talk about male babies who were sexually reassigned at birth and given female hormones. However many of them decided to reidentify as males later on life, showing that even with female hormones and a female upbringing, it was not enough to make them adopt a female gender identity. I wouldn't say this is conclusive evidence. But I think it's enough to show that people should keep an open mind about this subject.
- hcarvalhoalves 13y ago
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer I'm learning about this now. Shocking. This could pass as some story about medical experiments during nazy germany.

withad 13y ago

Can you show me some of these studies? I just pointed out the problematic lack of citations in the article and your dismissive comment alone isn't going to change my mind. If there's solid evidence one way or the other, I'd be genuinely interested to see it. And even if they do happen to agree with actual good science, the few studies presented here still don't "explain" anything and this Live Science post is decidedly shonky science reporting (and calling it that is frankly generous).

saraid216 13y ago

Well of course. Culture is a function of biology. So biology has been beating biology. QED.

aestra 13y ago

Your information is completely without citation.