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> What if there are natural reasons? Your assumption seems to be that women and men should act exactly equal, given "equality". What if that assumption is wrong
by king_jester 13y ago
> What if there are natural reasons? Your assumption seems to be that women and men should act exactly equal, given "equality". What if that assumption is wrong? I already gave one example - women invest a lot of energy into child birth, so it seems natural that they have a higher preference, or rather privilege, to spend time with their children.
We've seen biotruth-y arguments over and over again on this subject, you are going to have to provide something that offers at some least some evidence that such a thing could account for observed socialization patterns with regards to gender.
> I can not read all of the studies you linked to. A lot of them are flawed anyway (I have read many of the like already). But in general I find it interesting. But when you find such a thing, like women asking for promotions less, why not learn from it and ask for a promotion?
You out of hand have dismissed each article posted by the parent and have provided nothing of your own to talk about the flaw you perceive in those items. This isn't how research and argument work.
> This one for example is ridiculous. Can you point to the study that shows that? I can think of many famous women.
There is a plethora of evidence about this in a variety of contexts: media representation, women participation in the work force, rates of violent crime experienced by women, and so on. Simple Google searches will give you the most basic of starting points on all of these contexts.
> There is this meme going around of the female scientists who are supposedly cheated out of their fame ( https://plus.google.com/115858612877723984178/posts/Hphw8ErS.. https://plus.google.com/115858612877723984178/posts/Hphw8ErS.... ). I looked them up on Wikipedia and the feminist story wasn't true at all. One of those women even had a chemical element named after herself (Lise Meitner).
That post is quite accurate. While today some of those things have been corrected after the fact (Lise Meitner is now credited with a Nobel Peace Prize, but did not get awarded at the same time as others), those stories are true.
> The article you link to about boys in the classroom seems to confirm what I guessed, that boys demand more attention. There is not enough information in that article to form a real conclusion, though.
Classroom gender dynamics is well studied, there are many studies to look at and several books published on the subject. Like all research one article is not going to give you conclusive proof of how things are exactly.
- facepalm 13y agoDiscussion is not dumping a list of articles on another person. If you point out ones that specifically refute my points, I am happy to read them. I don't have time to read 20 articles now. I started with some but the quality of the linked articles was not all that great. "That post is quite accurate. While today some of those things have been corrected after the fact (Lise Meitner is now credited with a Nobel Peace Prize, but did not get awarded at the same time as others), those stories are true." I ask you to read the Wikipedia articles about all those women. It's not at all true that they were forgotten or cheated out of recognition for their work. Another one of them became the first female professor at Harvard, for example. "there are many studies to look at and several books published on the subject." Point me to a good one, then. The one that was linked here was merely a summary. I don't even know how many classrooms were scrutinized.
- aestra 13y ago>the quality of the linked articles was not all that great Why? >You out of hand have dismissed each article posted by the parent and have provided nothing of your own to talk about the flaw you perceive in those item Exactly. >If you point out ones that specifically refute my points, I am happy to read them. I did. That's what I posted. I spent time and effort compiling them. I first gave a summary of all the research and then I posted it. This is a cyclical argument.
- facepalm 13y agoI looked at the first two. The first was just a small article about employers trying to discern if a woman wants to have children or not. Why did you even link to that? I commented on the second one - it certainly seems interesting, but there was bias apparent already in the second paragraph. How can you expect me to read 15 articles you dump on me? At least give me a reason why they are relevant, or pick two or three? Unfortunately number of quotes doesn't make them more true. I would be interested in articles that show the meat. For example with the classrooms, show me the article that says how the study was conducted. How many classrooms did they watch? Did they try different schools? Different countries? Different cultures?