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Ok I grudgingly started to read some of your links to procrastinate. The first one is rather useless. The second again shows the bias I am talking about. It s

Ok I grudgingly started to read some of your links to procrastinate. The first one is rather useless. The second again shows the bias I am talking about. It starts with the example of more men than women being given teaching assignments. It turns out less women asked for them - the dean tries to give one to everyone who asks. Then the bias: they conclude that "women don't ask for the things they want". But that is a bias - it is also possible they simply didn't want those things, and therefore didn't ask. Likewise with higher salary, perhaps women simply care less. Note I have nothing against them asking for higher salary.

aestra 13y ago
>The first one is rather useless. No it isn't. It answers the questions you asked about why teachers favor boys in the classroom. >But that is a bias - it is also possible they simply didn't want those things, and therefore didn't ask. >Likewise with higher salary, perhaps women simply care less. Read the damn book. The authors go on and give a class about negotiation in the school and starting salaries for women increased dramatically. If they didn't want higher salaries, that wouldn't have happened. They also released a followup to the book called "Ask for It" which taught asking and negotiation skills to women because women asked "ok, I don't ask for what I want, how can I learn how to ask for what I want?" If nobody cared then why would they demand a followup?
- facepalm 13y ago
  "The first one is rather useless. No it isn't" Sorry, I meant the first one from the long list - the second one you linked to. The one about the classrooms at least gives a good summary, but it doesn't say anything about the "why". And I get the impression the reality might have looked very different from what you imagine if you read the summary. For example they mention some stars might get all the attention - in that case most boys and girls would be neglected, except for some stars. That would be different from "girls are neglected vs boys". I find that research interesting, as I said I just think people are jumping to conclusions from their observations. "Read the damn book. " What book - you mean the third link? I'll try, unfortunately it is not loading for me atm. Will try again tomorrow.

aestra 13y ago

>The first one is rather useless. No it isn't. It answers the questions you asked about why teachers favor boys in the classroom. >But that is a bias - it is also possible they simply didn't want those things, and therefore didn't ask. >Likewise with higher salary, perhaps women simply care less. Read the damn book. The authors go on and give a class about negotiation in the school and starting salaries for women increased dramatically. If they didn't want higher salaries, that wouldn't have happened. They also released a followup to the book called "Ask for It" which taught asking and negotiation skills to women because women asked "ok, I don't ask for what I want, how can I learn how to ask for what I want?" If nobody cared then why would they demand a followup?

facepalm 13y ago
"The first one is rather useless. No it isn't" Sorry, I meant the first one from the long list - the second one you linked to. The one about the classrooms at least gives a good summary, but it doesn't say anything about the "why". And I get the impression the reality might have looked very different from what you imagine if you read the summary. For example they mention some stars might get all the attention - in that case most boys and girls would be neglected, except for some stars. That would be different from "girls are neglected vs boys". I find that research interesting, as I said I just think people are jumping to conclusions from their observations. "Read the damn book. " What book - you mean the third link? I'll try, unfortunately it is not loading for me atm. Will try again tomorrow.