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Here's your answers http://academics.hamilton.edu/government/home/government_375/sp97/Gender_Equity/equity/ge3.html http://academics.hamilton.edu/government/ho
by aestra 13y ago
Here's your answers
http://academics.hamilton.edu/government/home/government_375/sp97/Gender_Equity/equity/ge3.html http://academics.hamilton.edu/government/home/government_375...
>But "feminist scientists" (deliberate ") WANT to see discrimination. As soon as they see any data that can be interpreted to support the presence of discrimination, the case is closed and no further inquiry is being made.
That's stupid.
> I have never seen anybody ask an employer why they pay women less.
There has actually been research into this too. Women don't negotiate as much as men. Women don't ask for promotions and raises as much as men. Women aren't recognized as much for their contributions as much as men. Women's achievements, capabilities and potential are seen as much less than men by society. This starts as young as babies even by their own mothers. Successful and competent women are perceived as unlikeable thus less likely to get a raise or rise in the career ladder. Women tend to have less confidence in their ability and thus might contribute to them not asking for a raise.
This is mostly due to subconscious cultural influences and socialization of women rather than outright discrimination.
Employers are also worried about a women taking maternity leave and being distracted by kids. They aren't worried about men being distracted by children.
http://www.learnvest.com/2012/04/11-things-hiring-managers-wont-tell-you/ http://www.learnvest.com/2012/04/11-things-hiring-managers-w...
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7575.html http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7575.html
http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/006/923/Adolph,%20K.,%20Mondschein,%20E.%20R.,%20Tamis-LeMonda,%20C.,%20Journ.%20of%20Experimental%20Child%20Psych.,%202000.pdf http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/006/923/Adolph,%...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/10269461/As-a-boss-maternity-leave-is-a-nightmare-for-employers.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/10269461/As...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/08/13/why-women-still-earn-less-than-men-its-the-kids-fault/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/0...
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130519-women-scientists-overlooked-dna-history-science/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130519-women...
http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-08/ns_slee.html http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-08/ns_slee.html
http://www.newsweek.com/why-parents-may-cause-gender-differences-kids-79501 http://www.newsweek.com/why-parents-may-cause-gender-differe...
http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/garp/articles/eccles95i.pdf http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/garp/articles/eccles95i.pdf
http://www.hrzone.com/topic/strategies/invisible-glass-ceiling-hidden-side-gender-discrimination/133635 http://www.hrzone.com/topic/strategies/invisible-glass-ceili...
http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/chapter-9-workplace-bias-18255152 http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/chapter-9-workplace-b...
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2013/09/26/gender-stereotypes-voter-information/ http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2013/09/26/gender-stereotyp...
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1691736 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1691736
http://nataliemanor.com/articles/leadership-confidence-many-women-are-competent-but-lack-confidence/ http://nataliemanor.com/articles/leadership-confidence-many-...
http://www.nber.org/papers/w5903 http://www.nber.org/papers/w5903
http://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/blind-auditions-orchestras-gender-bias http://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/b...
In a study I can't find now people were given a story about a successful person, some people were given it with a female name and some where given it with a male name. Then they were asked to give adjectives to describe the person. The male name got positive adjectives such as "hard worker" "achiever" and the female name got negative ones like "pushy."
- facepalm 13y ago"This is mostly due to subconscious cultural influences and socialization of women rather than outright discrimination." And again your bias shows. What if there are natural reasons? Your assumption seems to be that women and men should act exactly equal, given "equality". What if that assumption is wrong? I already gave one example - women invest a lot of energy into child birth, so it seems natural that they have a higher preference, or rather privilege, to spend time with their children. I can not read all of the studies you linked to. A lot of them are flawed anyway (I have read many of the like already). But in general I find it interesting. But when you find such a thing, like women asking for promotions less, why not learn from it and ask for a promotion? I am not opposed to women trying to learn how to get ahead. Everybody should do that. I am opposed to unfairly blaming other people. "Women's achievements, capabilities and potential are seen as much less than men by society." This one for example is ridiculous. Can you point to the study that shows that? I can think of many famous women. There is this meme going around of the female scientists who are supposedly cheated out of their fame ( https://plus.google.com/115858612877723984178/posts/Hphw8ErSbzr https://plus.google.com/115858612877723984178/posts/Hphw8ErS... ). I looked them up on Wikipedia and the feminist story wasn't true at all. One of those women even had a chemical element named after herself (Lise Meitner). The article you link to about boys in the classroom seems to confirm what I guessed, that boys demand more attention. There is not enough information in that article to form a real conclusion, though.
- aestra 13y ago>But when you find such a thing, like women asking for promotions less, why not learn from it and ask for a promotion? Women are socialized to not ask for what they want from a young age. Many do not realize they can even ask for the things they want. Society tends to view women and men differently when they ask. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06pre.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/jobs/06pre.html > The messages girls receive — from parents and teachers, from books they read, from movies and television shows they watch, and from behavior of the adults around them — can be so powerful that as women they may not even understand that their reluctance to ask for what they want is a learned behavior, and one that can be unlearned. >More recent research that I conducted with two colleagues, Hannah Bowles and Lei Lai, points to another reason that women don’t ask: They face a much chillier reaction — from men and from women — when they do negotiate for what they want. >Behavior that can lead a man to be seen as ambitious or a go-getter can brand a woman as too pushy and aggressive. She may be called rude names, receive negative evaluations based solely on her personal style instead of her work and find herself closed out of networks or opportunities from which she might benefit. My boss was pleased that I asked him for what I wanted. A lot of women aren’t so lucky. http://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2012/07/02/nice-girls-still-dont-ask-for-what-they-want-why-women-fall-short-at-the-negotiating-table/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2012/07/02/nice-girl... http://www.ncrw.org/LiteratureReviews/Gender-Negotiation http://www.ncrw.org/LiteratureReviews/Gender-Negotiation http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ncmr.12022/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ncmr.12022/abstra... >Can you point to the study that shows that? I have linked to many that you already refuse to read. Here's some: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/201... http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/006/923/Adolph,%20K.,%20Mondschein,%20E.%20R.,%20Tamis-LeMonda,%20C.,%20Journ.%20of%20Experimental%20Child%20Psych.,%202000.pdf http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/006/923/Adolph,%... http://www.newsweek.com/why-parents-may-cause-gender-differences-kids-79501 http://www.newsweek.com/why-parents-may-cause-gender-differe... http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/chapter-9-workplace-bias-18255152 http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/chapter-9-workplace-b... http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-08/ns_slee.html http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-08/ns_slee.html >What if there are natural reasons? We can't know that because society treats baby girls different from baby boys at birth. Go take an anthropology class and learn about socialization. Nobody grew up in a bubble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization