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> systemd has won Not in the Gentoo ecosystem where we have OpenRC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC

nailer 13y ago
Gentoo is still popular as it's the basis for ChromeOS and CoreOS, but CoreOS uses systemd and I'm not sure re: ChromeOS.
- saljam 13y ago
  I was under the impression ChromeOS used upstart.
- mdeslaur 13y ago
  ChromeOS uses upstart.
edwintorok 13y ago
Also Debian is still on sysvinit, and there is a vote being held to decide what init system to use for jessie as default.
- akerl_ 13y ago
  That vote has almost total agreement that systemd will be the new init system. At this point, they're stuck in a quagmire of other bureaucratic nonsense and debates over related issues like whether packages will be allowed to require a particular init system.
  - zimbatm 13y ago
    Or maybe they need to figure out how to keep the non-Linux ports working since systemd is highly tied to that particular kernel.
    - ibotty 13y ago
      neither the hurd nor the bsd port use the debian linux sysinit currently.
  - zimbatm 13y ago
    Or maybe they need to figure out how to keep the non-Linux ports working since systemd is highly tied to that particular kernel.
zx2c4 13y ago
We'll likely switch to systemd, over at Gentoo, when we need to. As we discussed at FOSDEM, it's a matter of 'when' rather than 'if'.
- theBlackDragon 13y ago
  If that switch happens and systemd is forced on us I'll be dumping Gentoo after 12 years. systemd gives me nothing that openrc doesn't already provide and it messes with a lot of things that I do care about (eg. logging, cron). If RedHat is so intent on forcing their junk through everyone's throat it's time to move back to an OS where technical insight reigns instead of corporate money and marketingspeak.
  - makomk 13y ago
    To be honest, if Gentoo moves to systemd it'll probably be the final straw that pushes me to switch back to Windows after a decade or so of Linux use. Things have just being getting more and more buggy and unreliable; I'm already on the verge of switching just so I don't have to deal with the state of audio on Linux these days. Every PulseAudio version introduces new and fun breakages and they don't do stable releases anymore, so at best it'll get fixed in the next release which will have a bunch more poorly-tested code that breaks something else.
    - stefantalpalaru 13y ago
      I have been able to keep PulseAudio out of all my Gentoo systems so far. I seriously doubt anybody can impose systemd on me.

nailer 13y ago

Gentoo is still popular as it's the basis for ChromeOS and CoreOS, but CoreOS uses systemd and I'm not sure re: ChromeOS.

saljam 13y ago
I was under the impression ChromeOS used upstart.
mdeslaur 13y ago
ChromeOS uses upstart.

edwintorok 13y ago

Also Debian is still on sysvinit, and there is a vote being held to decide what init system to use for jessie as default.

akerl_ 13y ago
That vote has almost total agreement that systemd will be the new init system. At this point, they're stuck in a quagmire of other bureaucratic nonsense and debates over related issues like whether packages will be allowed to require a particular init system.
- zimbatm 13y ago
  Or maybe they need to figure out how to keep the non-Linux ports working since systemd is highly tied to that particular kernel.
  - ibotty 13y ago
    neither the hurd nor the bsd port use the debian linux sysinit currently.
- zimbatm 13y ago
  Or maybe they need to figure out how to keep the non-Linux ports working since systemd is highly tied to that particular kernel.

zx2c4 13y ago

We'll likely switch to systemd, over at Gentoo, when we need to. As we discussed at FOSDEM, it's a matter of 'when' rather than 'if'.

theBlackDragon 13y ago
If that switch happens and systemd is forced on us I'll be dumping Gentoo after 12 years. systemd gives me nothing that openrc doesn't already provide and it messes with a lot of things that I do care about (eg. logging, cron). If RedHat is so intent on forcing their junk through everyone's throat it's time to move back to an OS where technical insight reigns instead of corporate money and marketingspeak.
- makomk 13y ago
  To be honest, if Gentoo moves to systemd it'll probably be the final straw that pushes me to switch back to Windows after a decade or so of Linux use. Things have just being getting more and more buggy and unreliable; I'm already on the verge of switching just so I don't have to deal with the state of audio on Linux these days. Every PulseAudio version introduces new and fun breakages and they don't do stable releases anymore, so at best it'll get fixed in the next release which will have a bunch more poorly-tested code that breaks something else.
  - stefantalpalaru 13y ago
    I have been able to keep PulseAudio out of all my Gentoo systems so far. I seriously doubt anybody can impose systemd on me.