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This is a good time to remind people: Don't talk to the police. Ever, under any circumstances - it can only hurt you, never help you. http://www.youtube.com/wat

This is a good time to remind people: Don't talk to the police. Ever, under any circumstances - it can only hurt you, never help you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

pyre 13y ago
This is a very US-centric view. In some places, you have a right to remain silent, but that can be used against you in a court of law...
- nodata 13y ago
  He means don't talk to the police until your lawyer is there. Which countries will use that against you?
  - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
    UK or US, among other countries, if you are being held on 'homeland security' (read: Suspected terrorist) charges. IE: You are required by law to answer questions/turn over passwords when suspected of such things. David Miranda being a recent and well known example.
    - nodata 13y ago
      "Let's wait until my lawyer gets here" will count against me? You got a cite for that?
      - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        Heres the first hit on google, I'm sure many more instances, citings could be procured. According to former White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales (later the former attorney general), “[t]he stream of intelligence would quickly dry up if the enemy combatants were allowed contact with outsiders during the course of an ongoing debriefing.” Warren Richey, “Beyond Padilla Terror Case, Huge Legal Issues,” Christian Science Monitor, August 15, 2007, http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0815/p01s08-usju.html http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0815/p01s08-usju.html. Yoo also explains that introducing a lawyer immediately after capture of an enemy combatant would disrupt interrogation as any competent defense counsel would tell his/her client to remain silent. Yoo, War by Other Means, 151.
        refurb 13y ago
        That quote is in reference to enemy combatants, not those who fall within the regular court system. I get your point though.
        ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        As my post said 'homeland security' (read: Suspected terrorist) charges who are not part of the normal court system. But this also happens to immigrants or those stopped at the border in general. [0] The right to counsel is being eroded at the edges (apparently not applied to non-citizens whenever possible). Over the past year, the American Immigration Council, along with the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA), has documented instances where the DHS immigration agencies—Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)—have deprived noncitizens of access to counsel. For example, ICE also has taken the position that there is no right to consult with a lawyer during an interrogation. Likewise, many CBP offices outright deny access to all lawyers. [1] [0] http://law.psu.edu/_file/Immigrants/LAC_Right_to_Counsel.pdf http://law.psu.edu/_file/Immigrants/LAC_Right_to_Counsel.pdf [1] http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/01/23/its-time-to-improve-noncitizens-access-to-counsel/ http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/01/23/its-time-to-improve-...
  - digitalengineer 13y ago
    In the Netherlands you have the right to talk to a lawyer before you talk to the police. But not during the time you talk to the police. Nice huh?
    - pyre 13y ago
      Similar in Canada.
meric 13y ago
What if someone random on the street stabbed you. You wake up in a hospital and the police is asking you questions about what the attacker looked like. Should you stay silent? If it was me, I'd want to get back at that person who stabbed me, and the police would help me do that.
- noonespecial 13y ago
  If you're talking to police, and you don't know who the criminal is that they are trying to find, its you.
  - a3n 13y ago
    Nice twist on the mark in a poker game.

pyre 13y ago

This is a very US-centric view. In some places, you have a right to remain silent, but that can be used against you in a court of law...

nodata 13y ago
He means don't talk to the police until your lawyer is there. Which countries will use that against you?
- ItendToDisagree 13y ago
  UK or US, among other countries, if you are being held on 'homeland security' (read: Suspected terrorist) charges. IE: You are required by law to answer questions/turn over passwords when suspected of such things. David Miranda being a recent and well known example.
  - nodata 13y ago
    "Let's wait until my lawyer gets here" will count against me? You got a cite for that?
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      Heres the first hit on google, I'm sure many more instances, citings could be procured. According to former White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales (later the former attorney general), “[t]he stream of intelligence would quickly dry up if the enemy combatants were allowed contact with outsiders during the course of an ongoing debriefing.” Warren Richey, “Beyond Padilla Terror Case, Huge Legal Issues,” Christian Science Monitor, August 15, 2007, http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0815/p01s08-usju.html http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0815/p01s08-usju.html. Yoo also explains that introducing a lawyer immediately after capture of an enemy combatant would disrupt interrogation as any competent defense counsel would tell his/her client to remain silent. Yoo, War by Other Means, 151.
      - refurb 13y ago
        That quote is in reference to enemy combatants, not those who fall within the regular court system. I get your point though.
        ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        As my post said 'homeland security' (read: Suspected terrorist) charges who are not part of the normal court system. But this also happens to immigrants or those stopped at the border in general. [0] The right to counsel is being eroded at the edges (apparently not applied to non-citizens whenever possible). Over the past year, the American Immigration Council, along with the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA), has documented instances where the DHS immigration agencies—Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)—have deprived noncitizens of access to counsel. For example, ICE also has taken the position that there is no right to consult with a lawyer during an interrogation. Likewise, many CBP offices outright deny access to all lawyers. [1] [0] http://law.psu.edu/_file/Immigrants/LAC_Right_to_Counsel.pdf http://law.psu.edu/_file/Immigrants/LAC_Right_to_Counsel.pdf [1] http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/01/23/its-time-to-improve-noncitizens-access-to-counsel/ http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/01/23/its-time-to-improve-...
- digitalengineer 13y ago
  In the Netherlands you have the right to talk to a lawyer before you talk to the police. But not during the time you talk to the police. Nice huh?
  - pyre 13y ago
    Similar in Canada.

meric 13y ago

What if someone random on the street stabbed you. You wake up in a hospital and the police is asking you questions about what the attacker looked like. Should you stay silent? If it was me, I'd want to get back at that person who stabbed me, and the police would help me do that.

noonespecial 13y ago
If you're talking to police, and you don't know who the criminal is that they are trying to find, its you.
- a3n 13y ago
  Nice twist on the mark in a poker game.