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The Calculus Trap (2005)

41 points by tokenadult 13y ago

TempleOSV2 13y ago
I took calculus my junior year in High School, nothing my senior year. I'm in some kind of prison. God says... smart recipe meh how_do_I_put_this hit that's_for_me_to_know honesty well_I_never chump_change Greek_to_me ipod let's_roll place I_quit soap_opera what's_it_to_you Venus you're_wonderful
est 13y ago
This article is lacking examples. What exact case makes the standard curriculum bad? What are the good examples of the alternatives?
jey 13y ago
Personally, I hated calculus. It turned me off of math for a long time -- there was too much emphasis on memorizing heuristics for solving problems, like integral tricks and trigonometric identities. Worse, calculus was used as the canonical example of "college-level math", so it seemed that further math courses would just be about memorizing more and more problem solving tricks. (In my view, solving integrals is a search problem, and search problems are for computers. I want to understand the concepts and the algorithms, not be a glorified calculator.)
- tonyarkles 13y ago
  I half agree. I'm not sure if your or most calculus curriculums involved much derivation, or whether I ended up lucking out and getting a great instructor. We ended up deriving a number of the "integral tricks" from "scratch" (e.g. Fundamental Theorem of Calculus). Sometimes they went way over our heads, but I generally found that the derivation process really helped me understand at more of a gut level what was going on.
smilliken 13y ago
I was a student that skipped high school and went straight into my local college curriculum. It actually worked out great in my case, albeit largely because I chanced across several high quality instructors that were able to challenge me. I am glad I followed the curriculum as well, though. In the end, you'll need to take calculus (et al) at some point, and taking it as soon as possible meant that it could help form my mind earlier, and allowed me to progress beyond even sooner. Specifically, I followed the sequence: differential calculus, integral calculus, multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra (and then I transferred to Berkeley's math program). That's a lot for a young mind to soak in, and the type of student these classes select for make an excellent social environment as well (inevitably, the type that likes learning). If I were to make a recommendation between following the curriculum, and pursuing extra-curriculars, I'd say: do both.
pje 13y ago
Lockhart's Lament [0] comes to mind. [0]: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsL...
dalke 13y ago
"you’re in ninth grade and you’ve already taken nearly all the math classes your school offers" I thought most high schools taught calculus. Both my and my wife's did. Why is this 15 year old going to a local community college or university for that? http://www.maa.org/the-changing-face-of-calculus-first-semester-calculus-as-a-high-school-course http://www.maa.org/the-changing-face-of-calculus-first-semes... agrees, and points out that 3x more people take AP Calculus now than when I was in high school. Which is about the same time that the author went to school. (FWIW, I do realize that my high school was unusual, in that it also offered linear algebra, differential equations, and modern algebra. There were enough of us who had taken calculus and were interested in additional classes. It was a community college course taught at the high school by a high school teacher.) "I met nearly all of them through activities or employment that selected for thinkers. In school, these activities were (and still are in most schools) extracurricular programs, not curricular ones." Nope, don't recognize that in my experience. The class with the most "thinkers" was probably AP European History. I can't think of an extracurricular which matched it. (AP American History, AP English, and AP Calculus were pretty close.) How much of this essay is the author's hypothesis, and how much of it is based on actual research?
- GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
  My high school ran out of math classes for me and 10% of my classmates after 11th grade.
  - dalke 13y ago
    Ran out at which level? The author apparently went to a high school without calculus. I'm trying to get a feel for how common that is, especially since it looks like several times more schools offer calculus now than when the author went to school in the late 1980s.
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
      No calculus.
mikeash 13y ago
I may not be the article's target audience, since I didn't really take calculus until I went to college at 18. (I say "really" because I tried some distance learning in calculus in high school, but I wasn't ready for that sort of self-driven environment and failed miserably.) However, my personal experience was the exact opposite. Calculus classes, along with the accompanying physics-with-calculus classes, were what transformed my concept of math from a game you play with symbols into a powerful way to describe the way the world works. Once I realized that equations like d=1/2at^2 just fell out of applying calculus to the idea of change in position over time, everything suddenly made sense.
tokenadult 13y ago
Thanks for the interesting comments. Taking the top-level comments in order of posting, I read This article is lacking examples. What exact case makes the standard curriculum bad? What are the good examples of the alternatives? The article mentions, "more importantly, the gifted, interested student should be exposed to mathematics outside the core curriculum, because the standard curriculum is not designed for the top students." The whole site that the article comes from serves as an example of mathematics teaching that goes deeper and connects topics together better than the standard curriculum in United States schools. Other authors have written on the same topic. Professor John Stillwell writes, in the preface to his book Numbers and Geometry (New York: Springer-Verlag, 1998): "What should every aspiring mathematician know? The answer for most of the 20th century has been: calculus. . . . Mathematics today is . . . much more than calculus; and the calculus now taught is, sadly, much less than it used to be. Little by little, calculus has been deprived of the algebra, geometry, and logic it needs to sustain it, until many institutions have had to put it on high-tech life-support systems. A subject struggling to survive is hardly a good introduction to the vigor of real mathematics. ". . . . In the current situation, we need to revive not only calculus, but also algebra, geometry, and the whole idea that mathematics is a rigorous, cumulative discipline in which each mathematician stands on the shoulders of giants. "The best way to teach real mathematics, I believe, is to start deeper down, with the elementary ideas of number and space. Everyone concedes that these are fundamental, but they have been scandalously neglected, perhaps in the naive belief that anyone learning calculus has outgrown them. In fact, arithmetic, algebra, and geometry can never be outgrown, and the most rewarding path to higher mathematics sustains their development alongside the 'advanced' branches such as calculus. Also, by maintaining ties between these disciplines, it is possible to present a more unified view of mathematics, yet at the same time to include more spice and variety." Personally, I hated calculus. It turned me off of math for a long time -- there was too much emphasis on memorizing heuristics for solving problems, like integral tricks and trigonometric identities. Worse, calculus was used as the canonical example of "college-level math", so it seemed that further math courses would just be about memorizing more and more problem solving tricks. This second comment to be posted expresses what many students miss out on if their secondary school curriculum rushes to get to calculus as early as possible without also being designed to help them understand mathematics as well as possible. That's what the submitted article is about. If I were to make a recommendation between following the curriculum, and pursuing extra-curriculars, I'd say: do both. Yes, the both-and approach is helpful. That's what the article says when it says "Developing a broader understanding of mathematics and problem solving forms a foundation upon which knowledge of advanced mathematical and scientific concepts can be built. Curricular classes do not prepare students for the leap from the usual ‘one step and done’ problems to multi-step, multi-discipline problems they will face later on. That transition is smoothed by exposing students to complex problems in simpler areas of study, such as basic number theory or geometry, rather than giving them their first taste of complicated arguments when they’re learning a more advanced subject like group theory or the calculus of complex variables." Lockhart's Lament [0] comes to mind. [0]: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsL... Lockhart's Lament is indeed also a response to an era (different from the era I grew up in) when many high school students are rushed into a calculus class before reaching a profound understanding of fundamental mathematics. "you’re in ninth grade and you’ve already taken nearly all the math classes your school offers" I thought most high schools taught calculus. Both my and my wife's did. Why is this 15 year old going to a local community college or university for that? The author is indeed writing for a particular audience (which, as you correctly point out, is growing in size) of young people who have blazed through the United States mathematics courses that are now typical at ages once thought unimaginable. My late dad took his calculus course in the late 1940s as a second-year college student. I had just seven high school classmates in the mid-1970s who took calculus in high school at all. Most students in my generation who took calculus at all took it as a first-year university course. My oldest son began a formal course in calculus at eighth-grade age, through an accelerated local program that was founded in the 1980s. My second son is taking AP calculus BC as high school junior (eleventh grader). People are rushing into calculus much more rapidly than ever before in the United States, but often lack "profound understanding of fundamental mathematics (PUFM)" before starting the calculus course. A link that furthered my process of pondering how students might learn mathematics better was Richard Askey's review of the book Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics by Liping Ma. http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/fall1999/amed1.pdf http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/fall1999/amed1.pdf Another review of that excellent book by mathematician Roger Howe http://www.ams.org/notices/199908/rev-howe.pdf http://www.ams.org/notices/199908/rev-howe.pdf is also food for thought. In some countries, elementary mathematics is not considered "easy" mathematics, but rather fundamental mathematics, which must be understood in full context to build a foundation for later mathematical study. However, my personal experience was the exact opposite. Calculus classes, along with the accompanying physics-with-calculus classes, were what transformed my concept of math from a game you play with symbols into a powerful way to describe the way the world works. There are definitely a lot of students who enjoy a calculus course for that experience. That seems to be a form of enjoyment that especially comes to students who have had time to learn about other topics on the way to learning calculus. Russian mathematical instruction tries harder than instruction in the United States to bring in examples from physical science at all ages, so that the mathematics that explains physics is taught to students who have a decent background in physics.
niio 13y ago
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stevep98 13y ago
Reminds me of Arthur Benjamin's talk on focussing on statistics instead of calculus. http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_s_formula_for_changing_math_education.html http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_s_formula_for_chang...
ChristianMarks 13y ago
Although I have a PhD. in mathematics, I found the field needlessly, gratuitously competitive--nasty even--and I left. Math education--another related subject which mathematicians often feel competent to pronounce upon--seems to be a mine field [1]. There are only a few thousand mathematicians who are paid to do mathematics--for the rest of us, the opportunity cost is almost infinite. This is, for me, the real disincentive: the light at the end of the tunnel is hardly more than a few photons. [1] A double entendre. A mine field is a set with the standard field operations, which belongs only to the educator.
ivan_ah 13y ago
I totally agree that calculus is unlike "real math" (reasoning from first principles, proofs, abstractions). Perhaps learning linear algebra would be time better spent[1]. Sill, calculus is the first applied math course and is very useful for many areas of science so I'm not altogether in agreement that learning calculus is bad for you. On the contrary---in combination with a mechanics class it can be very good in terms of learning how to model the real world. That being said, I think UGRADs spend waaaaaay too much time learning calculus: Calc I, Calc II, multivariable, vector calculus, etc. That's like 4 semesters of calculus! This signals to the student that calculus is somehow a big deal, when in fact it is not: it's just calculation techniques. I think this should be cut-down to 2 semesters: Calc I+II together, then multivariable+vector calc. Just learn it quickly and get it over with[2]. _________ [1] Gilbert Strang saying we should learn more LA and less Calc. http://www-math.mit.edu/~gs/papers/essay.pdf http://www-math.mit.edu/~gs/papers/essay.pdf [2] My short book on Calculus and Mechanics http://minireference.com/launch40 http://minireference.com/launch40 (disclaimer: self-plug, but on topic)
- dalke 13y ago
  A minor correction. Calculus has loads of proofs. The calculus taught to high school and non-math undergrads tends to avoid more than a handful of proofs because most students don't need to know, nor care, about the actual math involved. Indeed, it would likely drive more students away. I would say that calculus is the first "real math" that students study which is so complicated that they can't really learn the first principles without years of effort. That's why classes teach the most immediately useful parts instead of covering the details. Someone who only studies those basics might even come out thinking that calculus is just a bunch of techniques, without grasping how gorgeous the underlying concepts and abstractions are. Take geometry as something I think you regard as "real math." How come geometry classes never prove that it's impossible to trisect the angle? Or double the cube? It turns out that compass and straightedge can only produce quadratic constructions, and Wantzel showed that these problems require cubics. This shows just how limited geometry really is, which is partially why students can feel that they have a handle on the entire topic. (Also, few if any secondary schools cover non-Euclidean geometries, or Euclid's book X as it explores incommensurable magnitudes.) I would also say that trigonometry is the first applied math course that students learn, not calculus. Let's go to calculus. Take for example the chain rule, D(g∘f)(c) = Dg(f(c))∘Df(c). This is one of those rules everyone learns in Calculus I. Can you prove it? I once could. Here's the start of the proof from my text book: "The hypothesis implies the c is an interior point of the domain of h = g∘f. (Why?) Let e>0 and d(e, f) be as in Definition 39.2. It follows from Lemma 39.5 that there exists strictly positive numbers g, J such that if |x-c|<=g then f(x) is an element of B and |f(x)-f(c)|<=K |x-c|. For simplicity, we write L_f = D f(c) and L_g = D h(b). By Theorem 21.3 there is a constant M such that |L_s(u)|<=M|u| for all u in R^q. If |x-c|<infimum(g, (1/K) ..." And so on for another 10 lines of the book. Do you really want to subject all calculus students to that level of detail? I don't. Who other than a mathematician needs to learn about Lebesgue integration and measure theory, which are even more advanced topics in calculus? BTW, my undergrad had multivariable and vector calculus as a single Calculus III class, so there were only 3 semesters of calculus before getting into the foundations of calculus. Also, calculus books do have some proofs. For example, every chapter I looked at from http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-18-001-calculus-online-textbook-spring-2005/textbook/ http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-18-001-calculus-online-text... contains a few proofs.
alexhutcheson 13y ago
Steve Yegge had a good essay that touched on this.[1] He argues that the right way to learn math is breadth-first, rather than depth-first - basically, learn the basics of a wide variety of fields within mathematics, and then you will know where to look when you need to understand a given problem. [1] http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/math-for-programmers.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/math-for-programmers...
EdgarVerona 13y ago
I feel like Calculus was very eye-opening for me, personally, and I felt like it was a refreshing finisher to the traditional math courses. When you're in the lower level classes, it's often hard to see where the practical applications are going to start coming around... for me at least, Calculus was where it all came together. I started to see just why I'd taken so many years of math: they all built up to this very practical and fundamental set of mathematics. That isn't to say that there's not a place for other math courses - of course! But Calculus in particular is the "money shot" of math, in my opinion. The applications are firm, and build the fundamentals of physics among other subjects. If I hadn't taken Calculus, I don't think I'd have been as positive about math as I ended up being. That's just my two cents, however.
repiret 13y ago
People studying hard sciences, engineering, statistics and mathematics should study calculus, because they need it to understand and solve problems in their domain. High school students would be much better served in life studying statistics instead. Far more important decisions in life and public policy are informed by statistics than by calculus. There was a time when I thought more breadth - number and set theory, proofs, and so on - would be better in place of calculus. And while I think it would be an improvement on teaching calculus, it would not be nearly as useful for most students as a better understanding of statistics.

41 points by tokenadult 13y ago

I took calculus my junior year in High School, nothing my senior year. I'm in some kind of prison. God says... smart recipe meh how_do_I_put_this hit that's_for_me_to_know honesty well_I_never chump_change Greek_to_me ipod let's_roll place I_quit soap_opera what's_it_to_you Venus you're_wonderful

est 13y ago

This article is lacking examples. What exact case makes the standard curriculum bad? What are the good examples of the alternatives?

jey 13y ago

Personally, I hated calculus. It turned me off of math for a long time -- there was too much emphasis on memorizing heuristics for solving problems, like integral tricks and trigonometric identities. Worse, calculus was used as the canonical example of "college-level math", so it seemed that further math courses would just be about memorizing more and more problem solving tricks. (In my view, solving integrals is a search problem, and search problems are for computers. I want to understand the concepts and the algorithms, not be a glorified calculator.)

tonyarkles 13y ago
I half agree. I'm not sure if your or most calculus curriculums involved much derivation, or whether I ended up lucking out and getting a great instructor. We ended up deriving a number of the "integral tricks" from "scratch" (e.g. Fundamental Theorem of Calculus). Sometimes they went way over our heads, but I generally found that the derivation process really helped me understand at more of a gut level what was going on.

smilliken 13y ago

I was a student that skipped high school and went straight into my local college curriculum. It actually worked out great in my case, albeit largely because I chanced across several high quality instructors that were able to challenge me. I am glad I followed the curriculum as well, though. In the end, you'll need to take calculus (et al) at some point, and taking it as soon as possible meant that it could help form my mind earlier, and allowed me to progress beyond even sooner. Specifically, I followed the sequence: differential calculus, integral calculus, multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra (and then I transferred to Berkeley's math program). That's a lot for a young mind to soak in, and the type of student these classes select for make an excellent social environment as well (inevitably, the type that likes learning). If I were to make a recommendation between following the curriculum, and pursuing extra-curriculars, I'd say: do both.

pje 13y ago

Lockhart's Lament [0] comes to mind. [0]: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsL...

dalke 13y ago

"you’re in ninth grade and you’ve already taken nearly all the math classes your school offers" I thought most high schools taught calculus. Both my and my wife's did. Why is this 15 year old going to a local community college or university for that? http://www.maa.org/the-changing-face-of-calculus-first-semester-calculus-as-a-high-school-course http://www.maa.org/the-changing-face-of-calculus-first-semes... agrees, and points out that 3x more people take AP Calculus now than when I was in high school. Which is about the same time that the author went to school. (FWIW, I do realize that my high school was unusual, in that it also offered linear algebra, differential equations, and modern algebra. There were enough of us who had taken calculus and were interested in additional classes. It was a community college course taught at the high school by a high school teacher.) "I met nearly all of them through activities or employment that selected for thinkers. In school, these activities were (and still are in most schools) extracurricular programs, not curricular ones." Nope, don't recognize that in my experience. The class with the most "thinkers" was probably AP European History. I can't think of an extracurricular which matched it. (AP American History, AP English, and AP Calculus were pretty close.) How much of this essay is the author's hypothesis, and how much of it is based on actual research?

GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
My high school ran out of math classes for me and 10% of my classmates after 11th grade.
- dalke 13y ago
  Ran out at which level? The author apparently went to a high school without calculus. I'm trying to get a feel for how common that is, especially since it looks like several times more schools offer calculus now than when the author went to school in the late 1980s.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
    No calculus.

mikeash 13y ago

I may not be the article's target audience, since I didn't really take calculus until I went to college at 18. (I say "really" because I tried some distance learning in calculus in high school, but I wasn't ready for that sort of self-driven environment and failed miserably.) However, my personal experience was the exact opposite. Calculus classes, along with the accompanying physics-with-calculus classes, were what transformed my concept of math from a game you play with symbols into a powerful way to describe the way the world works. Once I realized that equations like d=1/2at^2 just fell out of applying calculus to the idea of change in position over time, everything suddenly made sense.

tokenadult 13y ago

Thanks for the interesting comments. Taking the top-level comments in order of posting, I read This article is lacking examples. What exact case makes the standard curriculum bad? What are the good examples of the alternatives? The article mentions, "more importantly, the gifted, interested student should be exposed to mathematics outside the core curriculum, because the standard curriculum is not designed for the top students." The whole site that the article comes from serves as an example of mathematics teaching that goes deeper and connects topics together better than the standard curriculum in United States schools. Other authors have written on the same topic. Professor John Stillwell writes, in the preface to his book Numbers and Geometry (New York: Springer-Verlag, 1998): "What should every aspiring mathematician know? The answer for most of the 20th century has been: calculus. . . . Mathematics today is . . . much more than calculus; and the calculus now taught is, sadly, much less than it used to be. Little by little, calculus has been deprived of the algebra, geometry, and logic it needs to sustain it, until many institutions have had to put it on high-tech life-support systems. A subject struggling to survive is hardly a good introduction to the vigor of real mathematics. ". . . . In the current situation, we need to revive not only calculus, but also algebra, geometry, and the whole idea that mathematics is a rigorous, cumulative discipline in which each mathematician stands on the shoulders of giants. "The best way to teach real mathematics, I believe, is to start deeper down, with the elementary ideas of number and space. Everyone concedes that these are fundamental, but they have been scandalously neglected, perhaps in the naive belief that anyone learning calculus has outgrown them. In fact, arithmetic, algebra, and geometry can never be outgrown, and the most rewarding path to higher mathematics sustains their development alongside the 'advanced' branches such as calculus. Also, by maintaining ties between these disciplines, it is possible to present a more unified view of mathematics, yet at the same time to include more spice and variety." Personally, I hated calculus. It turned me off of math for a long time -- there was too much emphasis on memorizing heuristics for solving problems, like integral tricks and trigonometric identities. Worse, calculus was used as the canonical example of "college-level math", so it seemed that further math courses would just be about memorizing more and more problem solving tricks. This second comment to be posted expresses what many students miss out on if their secondary school curriculum rushes to get to calculus as early as possible without also being designed to help them understand mathematics as well as possible. That's what the submitted article is about. If I were to make a recommendation between following the curriculum, and pursuing extra-curriculars, I'd say: do both. Yes, the both-and approach is helpful. That's what the article says when it says "Developing a broader understanding of mathematics and problem solving forms a foundation upon which knowledge of advanced mathematical and scientific concepts can be built. Curricular classes do not prepare students for the leap from the usual ‘one step and done’ problems to multi-step, multi-discipline problems they will face later on. That transition is smoothed by exposing students to complex problems in simpler areas of study, such as basic number theory or geometry, rather than giving them their first taste of complicated arguments when they’re learning a more advanced subject like group theory or the calculus of complex variables." Lockhart's Lament [0] comes to mind. [0]: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/devlin/LockhartsL... Lockhart's Lament is indeed also a response to an era (different from the era I grew up in) when many high school students are rushed into a calculus class before reaching a profound understanding of fundamental mathematics. "you’re in ninth grade and you’ve already taken nearly all the math classes your school offers" I thought most high schools taught calculus. Both my and my wife's did. Why is this 15 year old going to a local community college or university for that? The author is indeed writing for a particular audience (which, as you correctly point out, is growing in size) of young people who have blazed through the United States mathematics courses that are now typical at ages once thought unimaginable. My late dad took his calculus course in the late 1940s as a second-year college student. I had just seven high school classmates in the mid-1970s who took calculus in high school at all. Most students in my generation who took calculus at all took it as a first-year university course. My oldest son began a formal course in calculus at eighth-grade age, through an accelerated local program that was founded in the 1980s. My second son is taking AP calculus BC as high school junior (eleventh grader). People are rushing into calculus much more rapidly than ever before in the United States, but often lack "profound understanding of fundamental mathematics (PUFM)" before starting the calculus course. A link that furthered my process of pondering how students might learn mathematics better was Richard Askey's review of the book Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics by Liping Ma. http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/fall1999/amed1.pdf http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/fall1999/amed1.pdf Another review of that excellent book by mathematician Roger Howe http://www.ams.org/notices/199908/rev-howe.pdf http://www.ams.org/notices/199908/rev-howe.pdf is also food for thought. In some countries, elementary mathematics is not considered "easy" mathematics, but rather fundamental mathematics, which must be understood in full context to build a foundation for later mathematical study. However, my personal experience was the exact opposite. Calculus classes, along with the accompanying physics-with-calculus classes, were what transformed my concept of math from a game you play with symbols into a powerful way to describe the way the world works. There are definitely a lot of students who enjoy a calculus course for that experience. That seems to be a form of enjoyment that especially comes to students who have had time to learn about other topics on the way to learning calculus. Russian mathematical instruction tries harder than instruction in the United States to bring in examples from physical science at all ages, so that the mathematics that explains physics is taught to students who have a decent background in physics.

niio 13y ago

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stevep98 13y ago

Reminds me of Arthur Benjamin's talk on focussing on statistics instead of calculus. http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_s_formula_for_changing_math_education.html http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_s_formula_for_chang...

ChristianMarks 13y ago

Although I have a PhD. in mathematics, I found the field needlessly, gratuitously competitive--nasty even--and I left. Math education--another related subject which mathematicians often feel competent to pronounce upon--seems to be a mine field [1]. There are only a few thousand mathematicians who are paid to do mathematics--for the rest of us, the opportunity cost is almost infinite. This is, for me, the real disincentive: the light at the end of the tunnel is hardly more than a few photons. [1] A double entendre. A mine field is a set with the standard field operations, which belongs only to the educator.

ivan_ah 13y ago

I totally agree that calculus is unlike "real math" (reasoning from first principles, proofs, abstractions). Perhaps learning linear algebra would be time better spent[1]. Sill, calculus is the first applied math course and is very useful for many areas of science so I'm not altogether in agreement that learning calculus is bad for you. On the contrary---in combination with a mechanics class it can be very good in terms of learning how to model the real world. That being said, I think UGRADs spend waaaaaay too much time learning calculus: Calc I, Calc II, multivariable, vector calculus, etc. That's like 4 semesters of calculus! This signals to the student that calculus is somehow a big deal, when in fact it is not: it's just calculation techniques. I think this should be cut-down to 2 semesters: Calc I+II together, then multivariable+vector calc. Just learn it quickly and get it over with[2]. _________ [1] Gilbert Strang saying we should learn more LA and less Calc. http://www-math.mit.edu/~gs/papers/essay.pdf http://www-math.mit.edu/~gs/papers/essay.pdf [2] My short book on Calculus and Mechanics http://minireference.com/launch40 http://minireference.com/launch40 (disclaimer: self-plug, but on topic)

dalke 13y ago
A minor correction. Calculus has loads of proofs. The calculus taught to high school and non-math undergrads tends to avoid more than a handful of proofs because most students don't need to know, nor care, about the actual math involved. Indeed, it would likely drive more students away. I would say that calculus is the first "real math" that students study which is so complicated that they can't really learn the first principles without years of effort. That's why classes teach the most immediately useful parts instead of covering the details. Someone who only studies those basics might even come out thinking that calculus is just a bunch of techniques, without grasping how gorgeous the underlying concepts and abstractions are. Take geometry as something I think you regard as "real math." How come geometry classes never prove that it's impossible to trisect the angle? Or double the cube? It turns out that compass and straightedge can only produce quadratic constructions, and Wantzel showed that these problems require cubics. This shows just how limited geometry really is, which is partially why students can feel that they have a handle on the entire topic. (Also, few if any secondary schools cover non-Euclidean geometries, or Euclid's book X as it explores incommensurable magnitudes.) I would also say that trigonometry is the first applied math course that students learn, not calculus. Let's go to calculus. Take for example the chain rule, D(g∘f)(c) = Dg(f(c))∘Df(c). This is one of those rules everyone learns in Calculus I. Can you prove it? I once could. Here's the start of the proof from my text book: "The hypothesis implies the c is an interior point of the domain of h = g∘f. (Why?) Let e>0 and d(e, f) be as in Definition 39.2. It follows from Lemma 39.5 that there exists strictly positive numbers g, J such that if |x-c|<=g then f(x) is an element of B and |f(x)-f(c)|<=K |x-c|. For simplicity, we write L_f = D f(c) and L_g = D h(b). By Theorem 21.3 there is a constant M such that |L_s(u)|<=M|u| for all u in R^q. If |x-c|<infimum(g, (1/K) ..." And so on for another 10 lines of the book. Do you really want to subject all calculus students to that level of detail? I don't. Who other than a mathematician needs to learn about Lebesgue integration and measure theory, which are even more advanced topics in calculus? BTW, my undergrad had multivariable and vector calculus as a single Calculus III class, so there were only 3 semesters of calculus before getting into the foundations of calculus. Also, calculus books do have some proofs. For example, every chapter I looked at from http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-18-001-calculus-online-textbook-spring-2005/textbook/ http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-18-001-calculus-online-text... contains a few proofs.

alexhutcheson 13y ago

Steve Yegge had a good essay that touched on this.[1] He argues that the right way to learn math is breadth-first, rather than depth-first - basically, learn the basics of a wide variety of fields within mathematics, and then you will know where to look when you need to understand a given problem. [1] http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/math-for-programmers.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/math-for-programmers...

EdgarVerona 13y ago

I feel like Calculus was very eye-opening for me, personally, and I felt like it was a refreshing finisher to the traditional math courses. When you're in the lower level classes, it's often hard to see where the practical applications are going to start coming around... for me at least, Calculus was where it all came together. I started to see just why I'd taken so many years of math: they all built up to this very practical and fundamental set of mathematics. That isn't to say that there's not a place for other math courses - of course! But Calculus in particular is the "money shot" of math, in my opinion. The applications are firm, and build the fundamentals of physics among other subjects. If I hadn't taken Calculus, I don't think I'd have been as positive about math as I ended up being. That's just my two cents, however.

repiret 13y ago

People studying hard sciences, engineering, statistics and mathematics should study calculus, because they need it to understand and solve problems in their domain. High school students would be much better served in life studying statistics instead. Far more important decisions in life and public policy are informed by statistics than by calculus. There was a time when I thought more breadth - number and set theory, proofs, and so on - would be better in place of calculus. And while I think it would be an improvement on teaching calculus, it would not be nearly as useful for most students as a better understanding of statistics.