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left her to die and her family in a permanent state of medical bankruptcy. I can't get my head round this, as someone born and raised in the UK, America's heal

left her to die and her family in a permanent state of medical bankruptcy. I can't get my head round this, as someone born and raised in the UK, America's health care system (or lack there of) is the single thing that will stop me ever wanting to live in the US.

dmm 13y ago
Don't take financial or healthcare from online forum comments ( in other words the parent is full of shit).
icebraining 13y ago
What about cases like this: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/aug/24/avastin-too-expensive-for-patients http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/aug/24/avastin-too-e... ? I'm not a fan of the US system either, but I live in a country with State-run healthcare, and cost decisions like those are made every day.
- lmm 13y ago
  A national healthcare system doesn't take away any of the things you get in the US. Many employers offer private medical insurance, and one can choose to pay for individual treatments privately if one wishes. So if you're wealthy or have a good employer, you're in just as good a position as you are in the US (and if you're poor, you're better off).
ars 13y ago
The reason you can't wrap your head around it is that it's not actually true. People love saying that about America, but it's not true and never has been. For cases like that there is government insurance. It's called Medicaid, or Chip, or a bunch of other names, and it's available everywhere. (And it doesn't help that the person you replied to is doubly confused and combined two unrelated things to confuse him even more. The CEO was saying that Obamacare was an added expense - it had nothing to do with the babies.)
- scarmig 13y ago
  To be absolutely clear: The CEO is the person who rhetorically conflated Obamacare and having to pay for the babies, not me. Don't try to poison the well by trying to shift his misspeaking to me.

dmm 13y ago

Don't take financial or healthcare from online forum comments ( in other words the parent is full of shit).

icebraining 13y ago

What about cases like this: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/aug/24/avastin-too-expensive-for-patients http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/aug/24/avastin-too-e... ? I'm not a fan of the US system either, but I live in a country with State-run healthcare, and cost decisions like those are made every day.

lmm 13y ago
A national healthcare system doesn't take away any of the things you get in the US. Many employers offer private medical insurance, and one can choose to pay for individual treatments privately if one wishes. So if you're wealthy or have a good employer, you're in just as good a position as you are in the US (and if you're poor, you're better off).

ars 13y ago

The reason you can't wrap your head around it is that it's not actually true. People love saying that about America, but it's not true and never has been. For cases like that there is government insurance. It's called Medicaid, or Chip, or a bunch of other names, and it's available everywhere. (And it doesn't help that the person you replied to is doubly confused and combined two unrelated things to confuse him even more. The CEO was saying that Obamacare was an added expense - it had nothing to do with the babies.)

scarmig 13y ago
To be absolutely clear: The CEO is the person who rhetorically conflated Obamacare and having to pay for the babies, not me. Don't try to poison the well by trying to shift his misspeaking to me.