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I'm assuming that when you point towards the story of Asma Bint Marwan you acknowledge that classical scholars have rejected this story? It also pretty amazing

by mh_ 13y ago

I'm assuming that when you point towards the story of Asma Bint Marwan you acknowledge that classical scholars have rejected this story? It also pretty amazing that you would complain about an ad hominem when your comment led with "what did you expect an islamist to do?" (I also note your silence on the fact that draconian Internet silliness seems ok when done by non-"islamists") Again: There is certainly a lot in the OP's post relevant to HN, but i would submit that sweeping statements on religions are not

waps 13y ago
I wasn't aware of any such rejection. Nor you, nor a google search, nor my local library can find any reference to such a rejection. Furthermore it's easy to find fatwas agreeing with this. Care to point out at least one paper (that isn't on an obviously political site) ? To be honest I've read the sources on the story and several of the others and I'd find it hard to believe. And what about all the other ones ? It's not like executing people for criticism is something islam's prophet did once. Well, compared to the thousands of people he ordered executed (e.g. the massacres he ordered around Mecca) it may not be that much. This is not a sweeping statement about a religion. It is a simple statement of fact. Just because a statement is currently policitally inconvenient or "sweeping" doesn't affect my opinion of it at all. As you very well know, there are far more damning sweeping statements one can make about islam that are equally true. Frankly, islam was created through a protracted and bloody war. Everyone, including muslims, agree on this. Do you find it all that surprising that atrocities happened on both sides ? The problem I have, of course, is that one side claims to be the definition of good, and went on to commit massacres elsewhere in the world on a scale never seen before. Why do you feel the need to reject historical fact ?

by mh_ 13y ago

waps 13y ago

I wasn't aware of any such rejection. Nor you, nor a google search, nor my local library can find any reference to such a rejection. Furthermore it's easy to find fatwas agreeing with this. Care to point out at least one paper (that isn't on an obviously political site) ? To be honest I've read the sources on the story and several of the others and I'd find it hard to believe. And what about all the other ones ? It's not like executing people for criticism is something islam's prophet did once. Well, compared to the thousands of people he ordered executed (e.g. the massacres he ordered around Mecca) it may not be that much. This is not a sweeping statement about a religion. It is a simple statement of fact. Just because a statement is currently policitally inconvenient or "sweeping" doesn't affect my opinion of it at all. As you very well know, there are far more damning sweeping statements one can make about islam that are equally true. Frankly, islam was created through a protracted and bloody war. Everyone, including muslims, agree on this. Do you find it all that surprising that atrocities happened on both sides ? The problem I have, of course, is that one side claims to be the definition of good, and went on to commit massacres elsewhere in the world on a scale never seen before. Why do you feel the need to reject historical fact ?