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Those are the votes for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html https:/

by Spittie 13y ago

Those are the votes for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00283.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00283.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00297.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00297.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00282.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00282.html For anyone wondering, 4 votes are enough because Bdale's vote (the chairman of the Technical Committee) count as two votes in case of a draw. EDIT: see this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7203479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7203479) comment below - if the other 4 members of the TC vote F, then systemd would not win.

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mjn 13y ago
Fwiw, the only other vote that's been cast so far, which is in the other direction (3 people haven't yet voted): https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00288.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00288.html
- kbar13 13y ago
  To be fair he is also the Ubuntu developer and upstart maintainer on the committee
  - dfc 13y ago
    What is there to be or to not "be fair" about? mjn's comment was a value neutral statement of fact. There was nothing prejudicial in his comment.
    - asdfaoeu 13y ago
      He's referring to Steve Langasek not min.
      - dfc 13y ago
        What was "unfair"?
- jevinskie 13y ago
  I agree with that vote. Since Debian is still committed to BSD, they aren't going to drop sysvint once the next-gen init system is in place.
shornlacuna 13y ago
It's not quite as simple as that, because if all the remaining committee members vote F (further discussion) ahead of D (systemd) then D gets dropped before the casting vote stage (Debian constitution A.6.3). So far one of the four remaining committee members has done this, another is expected to, leaving the decisions of the remaining two to determine whether the vote completes or not.
- Spittie 13y ago
  Sorry for spreading misinformation, it seems that I got exited too soon. Still, I find somewhat unlikely that all the others member will vote F ahead of D. Are you referring to the "Technical Committee makes decisions only as last resort." paragraph of the Debian constitution? It's a bit cryptic for a non-native like me, so I'm not sure that I'm reading it right.
  - shornlacuna 13y ago
    No, this is in the voting section A. It reads "Any (non-default) option which does not defeat the default option by its required majority ratio is dropped from consideration." In this case F (further discussion) is the default option, and this stage in the voting process precedes the casting vote. I too think it's unlikely that both Colin and Andi will block the decision, but we've known it's likely that systemd will win for some time now. It's still not yet official. edit: actually there are other possible outcomes, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00309.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00309.html
  - dfc 13y ago
    Can you change the title? The current title is so misleading that I feel like flagging it is in order.
    - Spittie 13y ago
      You're asking the wrong guy, I didn't submit this.
    - 13y ago
sluukkonen 13y ago
Looks like it's clear now. Colin Watson voted for Upstart[1], so systemd wins. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00332.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00332.html
- shornlacuna 13y ago
  Indeed. Note that the reason systemd wins is that Colin voted systemd ahead of further discussion, now defeating it with at least 5 votes from the 8. And then in the subsequent voting stage systemd has at least 4 votes + the chair's casting vote as per the above post.
norswap 13y ago
When you see how complex it all is, no wonder people make snide comments about committees.
- rodgerd 13y ago
  Consider alternatives such as e.g. Mark Shuttleworth unilaterally commanding technology no-one else ends up using.
jarvic 13y ago
Everybody, get your popcorn: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00344.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00344.html

by Spittie 13y ago

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mjn 13y ago

Fwiw, the only other vote that's been cast so far, which is in the other direction (3 people haven't yet voted): https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00288.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00288.html

kbar13 13y ago
To be fair he is also the Ubuntu developer and upstart maintainer on the committee
- dfc 13y ago
  What is there to be or to not "be fair" about? mjn's comment was a value neutral statement of fact. There was nothing prejudicial in his comment.
  - asdfaoeu 13y ago
    He's referring to Steve Langasek not min.
    - dfc 13y ago
      What was "unfair"?
jevinskie 13y ago
I agree with that vote. Since Debian is still committed to BSD, they aren't going to drop sysvint once the next-gen init system is in place.

shornlacuna 13y ago

It's not quite as simple as that, because if all the remaining committee members vote F (further discussion) ahead of D (systemd) then D gets dropped before the casting vote stage (Debian constitution A.6.3). So far one of the four remaining committee members has done this, another is expected to, leaving the decisions of the remaining two to determine whether the vote completes or not.

Spittie 13y ago
Sorry for spreading misinformation, it seems that I got exited too soon. Still, I find somewhat unlikely that all the others member will vote F ahead of D. Are you referring to the "Technical Committee makes decisions only as last resort." paragraph of the Debian constitution? It's a bit cryptic for a non-native like me, so I'm not sure that I'm reading it right.
- shornlacuna 13y ago
  No, this is in the voting section A. It reads "Any (non-default) option which does not defeat the default option by its required majority ratio is dropped from consideration." In this case F (further discussion) is the default option, and this stage in the voting process precedes the casting vote. I too think it's unlikely that both Colin and Andi will block the decision, but we've known it's likely that systemd will win for some time now. It's still not yet official. edit: actually there are other possible outcomes, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00309.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00309.html
- dfc 13y ago
  Can you change the title? The current title is so misleading that I feel like flagging it is in order.
  - Spittie 13y ago
    You're asking the wrong guy, I didn't submit this.
  - 13y ago

sluukkonen 13y ago

Looks like it's clear now. Colin Watson voted for Upstart[1], so systemd wins. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00332.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00332.html

shornlacuna 13y ago
Indeed. Note that the reason systemd wins is that Colin voted systemd ahead of further discussion, now defeating it with at least 5 votes from the 8. And then in the subsequent voting stage systemd has at least 4 votes + the chair's casting vote as per the above post.

norswap 13y ago

When you see how complex it all is, no wonder people make snide comments about committees.

rodgerd 13y ago
Consider alternatives such as e.g. Mark Shuttleworth unilaterally commanding technology no-one else ends up using.

jarvic 13y ago

Everybody, get your popcorn: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00344.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00344.html