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In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish governme

by valtih1978 13y ago

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing. > killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc, I do not know what you are talking about. It seems to be the nazi nonsense, similar to your first sentence.

atglawok 13y ago
Please do not abuse words like nazi and do not promote Russian propaganda here, do you argue with a mass murder that was confirmed to be done by Russians ? Or is it also some 'nazi' propaganda ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
- valtih1978 13y ago
  I expected when you come up with this piece of Goebbels propaganda in order to justify your nazi wars. The very article you refer confirms that we have a piece of Goebbels propaganda. The polish officers, arrested by Soviet Union, have nothing to do with your "killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc" In fact, all politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, and etc. were fingting in the red army, against nazi. The officers that you are referring now, left in Katyn, were killed by Nazi. This atrocity was used by Goebbels to quarrel the Soviet and polish people in 1943, when it became apparent that germans are defeating and the truth will resurface. They were bonded by german ropes and killid from the german guns by german bullets. The fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence. Neither, it cannot be used to justify the fascist behaviour of polish burgeose (i.e. predatorish) policies. This is what you try to do: you use german Nazi propaganda to deny the truth and justify your crimes.
  - jedrek 13y ago
    Polish predatroish policies?
    - valtih1978 13y ago
      Do you mean that the attack of the Soviets by Poland in 1920, when the Western Ukrane was seized by polish fascists, and dividing the Chekoslovakia with Hitler in 1938, inflaming the WWII, was the act of piece? Or, you just deny these facts?
  - PanTardovski 13y ago
    I don't know that much about Katyn, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin both admitted to this, right? There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders? What are you talking about?
    - valtih1978 13y ago
      > There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders? Are you so brainwashed that you cannot even read? How there cannot be doubt after http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2010/07/katyn-ilyukhins-video-on-katyn.html http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2010/07/katyn-ilyukhins-v... and me talking "the fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence". Do you think that I will believe that those documents happened to be stored in the Yeltsin's personal safe, when he organized the trial against the Communist Party, http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2011/01/katyn-mysterious-discoveries-of-katyn.html http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2011/01/katyn-mysterious-...? Do you mean that there was nothing more to store in the "closed package no. 1" (google it) in the whole 1000-year Russian history than the "Katyn affair"? What do you think I mean by "burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents"? Do you think I mean that _there is no doubt_? Are you crazy? It would be interesting to investigate what happened in the Western Ukrane in 1941. But, instead of investigation, you demand the russians to be balmed guilty and hide the reason why the Polish intelligence appeared on the Soviet territory in the first place.
czechooo 13y ago
> I do not know what you are talking about. Search for Katyn massacre. Looking at your tone, you are either very indoctrinated and full of complexes OR it's just a provocation/joke. I prefer to think it's a second one.
- valtih1978 13y ago
  Look for manufacturing consent and Noam Chomsky to understand why the facts that I tell seem outlandish to you. He speaks right about indoctrination, the indoctrination that turns white into black and vice-versa. It says about "landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests". The same cleanup was done in the Soviet Union 10 years earlier. It is class struggle. There is nothing national in this question. 40 years later, in the 199x, this class of "intelligent people" killed much more workers in their capitalism restoration. You cannot justify your fascism/nacism by the class war conducted.
  - czechooo 13y ago
    ah! I knew you were joking! Sorry for giving you space for a reply ;)
    - valtih1978 13y ago
      When you are telling truth it is better to make it a joke. But, truth is the best joke itself, sometimes.
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jedrek 13y ago
> SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. This territory was agreed upon in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, so how could the SU move to save territory after the Polish government fell, if it had already agreed to split it up before it fell? Also, if you say that it's the Soviet Union's territory, why was a large part of it returned after WWII?
- valtih1978 13y ago
  You is a fascist propaganda. At first, Poland was eager to sign the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_P... in 1934 -- watch the photo (Hitler is in power since 1933). June 1939 absolutely nazi germany have signed the pact with Baltic states. Soviet Union did that later, in August 1939. So, who is the real Nazi aggressor? Why do you poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop all the time? Because you are try to conceal the inconvenient truth. Particularly, the border between USSR and Poland was demarked not by Hitler but by _European democracies (google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line)_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line)_. The Molotov-Ribbentrop was innocent, it reclaimed the lands siezed by fascist Poland earlier. In fact SU reclamed that even after the Polish government ceased to exist, to minimize the boold. Only criminals can say that restoring the justice with minimal viktims is a terrible crime act. You is a fascist criminal. Stallin was the last European leader to pack with Hitler. You have forced Stalin to sign the piece treaty with your ally, Hitler. Communists are the primary enemy of fascism. Fascists were invented in 20-st century to counteract the communism. You felt better with Hitler than with Russian comrades. That is why you askribe your crimes to the others. All what you say is a manipulating hypocracy.

atglawok 13y ago

Please do not abuse words like nazi and do not promote Russian propaganda here, do you argue with a mass murder that was confirmed to be done by Russians ? Or is it also some 'nazi' propaganda ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

valtih1978 13y ago
I expected when you come up with this piece of Goebbels propaganda in order to justify your nazi wars. The very article you refer confirms that we have a piece of Goebbels propaganda. The polish officers, arrested by Soviet Union, have nothing to do with your "killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc" In fact, all politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, and etc. were fingting in the red army, against nazi. The officers that you are referring now, left in Katyn, were killed by Nazi. This atrocity was used by Goebbels to quarrel the Soviet and polish people in 1943, when it became apparent that germans are defeating and the truth will resurface. They were bonded by german ropes and killid from the german guns by german bullets. The fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence. Neither, it cannot be used to justify the fascist behaviour of polish burgeose (i.e. predatorish) policies. This is what you try to do: you use german Nazi propaganda to deny the truth and justify your crimes.
- jedrek 13y ago
  Polish predatroish policies?
  - valtih1978 13y ago
    Do you mean that the attack of the Soviets by Poland in 1920, when the Western Ukrane was seized by polish fascists, and dividing the Chekoslovakia with Hitler in 1938, inflaming the WWII, was the act of piece? Or, you just deny these facts?
- PanTardovski 13y ago
  I don't know that much about Katyn, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin both admitted to this, right? There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders? What are you talking about?
  - valtih1978 13y ago
    > There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders? Are you so brainwashed that you cannot even read? How there cannot be doubt after http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2010/07/katyn-ilyukhins-video-on-katyn.html http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2010/07/katyn-ilyukhins-v... and me talking "the fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence". Do you think that I will believe that those documents happened to be stored in the Yeltsin's personal safe, when he organized the trial against the Communist Party, http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2011/01/katyn-mysterious-discoveries-of-katyn.html http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2011/01/katyn-mysterious-...? Do you mean that there was nothing more to store in the "closed package no. 1" (google it) in the whole 1000-year Russian history than the "Katyn affair"? What do you think I mean by "burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents"? Do you think I mean that _there is no doubt_? Are you crazy? It would be interesting to investigate what happened in the Western Ukrane in 1941. But, instead of investigation, you demand the russians to be balmed guilty and hide the reason why the Polish intelligence appeared on the Soviet territory in the first place.

czechooo 13y ago

> I do not know what you are talking about. Search for Katyn massacre. Looking at your tone, you are either very indoctrinated and full of complexes OR it's just a provocation/joke. I prefer to think it's a second one.

valtih1978 13y ago
Look for manufacturing consent and Noam Chomsky to understand why the facts that I tell seem outlandish to you. He speaks right about indoctrination, the indoctrination that turns white into black and vice-versa. It says about "landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests". The same cleanup was done in the Soviet Union 10 years earlier. It is class struggle. There is nothing national in this question. 40 years later, in the 199x, this class of "intelligent people" killed much more workers in their capitalism restoration. You cannot justify your fascism/nacism by the class war conducted.
- czechooo 13y ago
  ah! I knew you were joking! Sorry for giving you space for a reply ;)
  - valtih1978 13y ago
    When you are telling truth it is better to make it a joke. But, truth is the best joke itself, sometimes.

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jedrek 13y ago

> SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. This territory was agreed upon in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, so how could the SU move to save territory after the Polish government fell, if it had already agreed to split it up before it fell? Also, if you say that it's the Soviet Union's territory, why was a large part of it returned after WWII?

valtih1978 13y ago
You is a fascist propaganda. At first, Poland was eager to sign the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_P... in 1934 -- watch the photo (Hitler is in power since 1933). June 1939 absolutely nazi germany have signed the pact with Baltic states. Soviet Union did that later, in August 1939. So, who is the real Nazi aggressor? Why do you poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop all the time? Because you are try to conceal the inconvenient truth. Particularly, the border between USSR and Poland was demarked not by Hitler but by _European democracies (google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line)_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line)_. The Molotov-Ribbentrop was innocent, it reclaimed the lands siezed by fascist Poland earlier. In fact SU reclamed that even after the Polish government ceased to exist, to minimize the boold. Only criminals can say that restoring the justice with minimal viktims is a terrible crime act. You is a fascist criminal. Stallin was the last European leader to pack with Hitler. You have forced Stalin to sign the piece treaty with your ally, Hitler. Communists are the primary enemy of fascism. Fascists were invented in 20-st century to counteract the communism. You felt better with Hitler than with Russian comrades. That is why you askribe your crimes to the others. All what you say is a manipulating hypocracy.