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just to clue you in on a little known secret, gays don't normally have children. in the traditional heterosexual family unit kind of way that is....

chris_wot 13y ago
When science works out a way of making this happen, your head is going to explode.
- theknown99 13y ago
  It'll probably be the same time science makes it possible for you to request your unborn baby be ensured to be "not gay". So there's plusses and minuses to science...
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    Which will mean that you can request your unborn baby will definitely be gay. His head is still going to explode.
    - einhverfr 13y ago
      But that would still mean that one would be able to relegate being gay to the status of a birth defect in that case, right? One of the problems I see here is that debate seems to go between the "Gays are bad people" crowd and the rebuttal of "but they can't help it" with one side calling the other homophobic. And yet in Western culture, it seems almost certain that men are becoming increasingly less free to express anything that might possibly be interpreted as gay.
      - emocakes 13y ago
        I feel like it is the opposite in western culture, express any views which go against the flavour du jour and you are branded a bigot, a homophobe, a xenophobe, .
        einhverfr 13y ago
        It's funny. I think we've misordered our ideals. Tolerance, diversity, and freedom have been set up as goals in themselves, but then this means that perceived intolerance (and indeed it is anything perceived as intolerant) towards the wrong groups must not be tolerated, and hence diversity cannot accommodate real cultural or viewpoint diversity. It also means that freedom is more and more regulated, as if there was no real tradeoff between perfect justice and perfect freedom (but anyone who believes that should read Plato's Republic!). I think, actually, these must be set up in the service of something else. If we have these in the service of self-improvement and learning, then we tolerate and appreciate diversity because we know that we can only learn where there is disagreement, and we respect freedom because without a right to make mistakes there can be no growth.
- lurkinggrue 13y ago
  I keep trying with my partner and we have yet to have kids.
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    Which branch of science are you in?
jaimebuelta 13y ago
I just checked for numbers about this, and I found this interesting study... [1] The full study is here [2] TL;DR: Around 15-20% of same-sex couples are rising children [1] http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/as-overall-percentage-of-same-sex-couples-raising-children-declines-those-adopting-almost-doubles-significant-diversity-among-lesbian-and-gay-families/ http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/a... [2] http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-Badgett-NCFR-LGBT-Families-December-2011.pdf http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gat...

chris_wot 13y ago

When science works out a way of making this happen, your head is going to explode.

theknown99 13y ago
It'll probably be the same time science makes it possible for you to request your unborn baby be ensured to be "not gay". So there's plusses and minuses to science...
- chris_wot 13y ago
  Which will mean that you can request your unborn baby will definitely be gay. His head is still going to explode.
  - einhverfr 13y ago
    But that would still mean that one would be able to relegate being gay to the status of a birth defect in that case, right? One of the problems I see here is that debate seems to go between the "Gays are bad people" crowd and the rebuttal of "but they can't help it" with one side calling the other homophobic. And yet in Western culture, it seems almost certain that men are becoming increasingly less free to express anything that might possibly be interpreted as gay.
    - emocakes 13y ago
      I feel like it is the opposite in western culture, express any views which go against the flavour du jour and you are branded a bigot, a homophobe, a xenophobe, .
      - einhverfr 13y ago
        It's funny. I think we've misordered our ideals. Tolerance, diversity, and freedom have been set up as goals in themselves, but then this means that perceived intolerance (and indeed it is anything perceived as intolerant) towards the wrong groups must not be tolerated, and hence diversity cannot accommodate real cultural or viewpoint diversity. It also means that freedom is more and more regulated, as if there was no real tradeoff between perfect justice and perfect freedom (but anyone who believes that should read Plato's Republic!). I think, actually, these must be set up in the service of something else. If we have these in the service of self-improvement and learning, then we tolerate and appreciate diversity because we know that we can only learn where there is disagreement, and we respect freedom because without a right to make mistakes there can be no growth.
lurkinggrue 13y ago
I keep trying with my partner and we have yet to have kids.
- chris_wot 13y ago
  Which branch of science are you in?

jaimebuelta 13y ago

I just checked for numbers about this, and I found this interesting study... [1] The full study is here [2] TL;DR: Around 15-20% of same-sex couples are rising children [1] http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/as-overall-percentage-of-same-sex-couples-raising-children-declines-those-adopting-almost-doubles-significant-diversity-among-lesbian-and-gay-families/ http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/a... [2] http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-Badgett-NCFR-LGBT-Families-December-2011.pdf http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gat...