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How does a law that bans gay propaganda to kids have anything to do with Olympics? They don't ban gay sportsmen or anything, I don't see why they are making suc
by usaphp 13y ago
How does a law that bans gay propaganda to kids have anything to do with Olympics? They don't ban gay sportsmen or anything, I don't see why they are making such a big thing around it during the Olympics...has nothing to do with Olympics.
I wonder if Olympics were held in USA this year, would those same magazines put NSA logos and colors all over their screen just to show that spying on own citizens is bad? Or would google put DO NOT TRACK logo on their doodle? I doubt...
- fuzzix 13y ago> "gay propaganda" What's that now? > "to kids" Ah, "think of the children", the rallying cry of the oppressor.
- science0854 13y agoScientists have yet to prove any genetic causes for homosexuality. Saying something is innate without any proof is quite misleading.
- fuzzix 13y agoStand up for your ludicrous opinion, please, Mr throwaway account.
- science0854 13y agoIt's not a ludicrous opinion because scientists have yet to determine any gene that causes homosexuality. I encourage you to Google yourself for research papers that definitively prove the causes for homosexuality. None exist.
- fuzzix 13y agoIt may not be genetic, but so what? It's a preference. As long as people with aligning sexual orientation can express this under conditions of consent, where's the problematic element? Where's the harmful or damaging part of this?
- science0854 13y agoYes. I do agree with you. But why constantly tell (or imply to) people they're bad/evil for not believing in homosexuality? Unless there's scientific proof, you will never change their minds.
- fuzzix 13y ago> "But why constantly tell (or imply to) people they're bad/evil for not believing in homosexuality?" If someone said that to me, "I don't believe in homosexuality", I wouldn't call them bad or evil, though I might try to convince them they're wrong. Sexual preferences exist whether you believe in them or not. > "Unless there's scientific proof, you will never change their minds." You limited the terms to genetics. It may not be genetic. If it were, I suspect these same people would seek the "cure". There's plenty of research on the subject, working theories and all. Can't claim to be up on them, to be honest. The most interesting research I've read was into health aspects of homosexuality. By far the greatest risk discussed in each paper was depression related to discrimination and homophobia.
- malkung 13y agoIf it's a personal preference, then this has to do with culture, not biology. If it's a cultural thing, then you should realize there are different cultures out there, and one culture has no right to impose itself on others. As they say, when in Rome do as they Romans do. I can confirm that there are gay artists, filmmakers, etc in Russia and it is common knowledge that they are gay, and they are not persecuted in any way. They are just not holding gay parades or teaching 6 year olds about gay sex. So as long as the gay athletes are not doing that, they will be perfectly fine. For many Russians, teaching young children about gay sex is a problematic element, and I think you should respect their view when it comes to THEIR children.
- fuzzix 13y ago> "If it's a personal preference, then this has to do with culture, not biology" I didn't say personal preference, I said preference. It's not a choice you make, but it is an orientation. Why do you prefer members of the opposite sex? Did you choose this? > "teaching 6 year olds about gay sex" I doubt that actually ever happens. > "For many Russians, teaching young children about gay sex is a problematic element, and I think you should respect their view when it comes to THEIR children" So I should moderate my reasonable behaviour because you feel awkward explaining it to your kid? Your communication problems mean I shouldn't hold hands with or kiss someone of the same gender, in case they see it?
- Shivetya 13y agoThose who support the rights of homosexuals better hope they cannot prove a genetic link. With the technology we have today many will ask to screen for it and the fight over their right to end pregnancies because of that will be far nastier than that over ending the pregnancies of birth defects and such.
- bausson 13y agoSomething being innate doesn't necessary mean it is in your genes. It could be influenced/decided by any event or hormonal level during pregnancy / early childhood.
- netcan 13y agoSaying something is innate is maybe, possibly something technically incorrect, from a biological perspective. As is saying pretty much anything about human personality and behaviour. The reality of the political struggle is that gays are and have been oppressed, mistreated, abused, raped, labeled insane, labeled as dangerous, killed, maimed or criminalized for the "crime" which is not a crime, not to anyone with a decent sense of morality. Political messages need to be simple. "They are how they are and they do harm to no one." To try and pick apart a political slogan demanding equality and tolerance with a semantic argument as if it was a statement of biological fact betrays an intention. Alan Turing, war hero, scientific hero & intellectual hero was convicted and chemically castrated for homosexuality. He was driven to suicide. One of many. Sometimes in history there is a line and you can stand on one side of it or the other.
- science0854 13y agoYou know what? Homosexuals are being killed in the Middle East right now but for some reason, the rest of the world doesn't care. There are no similar campaigns on the scale of gay marriage campaigns to stop the mass killings of homosexuals in the Middle East. Aren't there more important battles to focus on?
- aninhumer 13y agoWhether or not homosexuality is "innate" is entirely irrelevant to its morality. Even if it was completely a choice (as it is to some extent for bisexual people) it would still be completely okay. Personally I feel like LGBT campaigns do themselves a disservice when they focus on this argument. Furthermore, if you're going to consider "making assertions without scientific evidence" as sufficient grounds to ban speech, you're going to be silencing a lot of people before you're done.
- usaphp 13y agoPropaganda is a form of communication aimed towards influencing the attitude of the community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument.
- fuzzix 13y agoCould you please furnish me with an example of "gay propaganda".
- lurkinggrue 13y agoThe road to hell is paved with people shouting "Think of the children!"
- emocakes 13y agoJust the West trying to make Russia look like the only barbarians in the world. Hoping that we all forget about the damage they (colonial powers) have inflicted on the world over the past centuries, not to mention the NSA crap going on now, what better to distract people than some vapid finger pointing at Russia for banning gay propaganda.
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- mjolk 13y agoStop muddying the waters with tangents. You clicked on the thread, we didn't collectively wander to earshot of your soapbox.
- noptic 13y agoCheap Trick 28: Point out someone elses past mistakes to distract from your crimes against humanity. (taken from "How to be a hardcore Dick-tator)
- antimagic 13y agoYes, gay propaganda, like kissing your loved one in public. Or admitting that you find someone of the same sex "hot". I'm pretty sure gay athletes are not feeling like the big welcome mat has been rolled out for them at this year's Olympics, and Russia totally deserves to be publicly pilloried for it.
- emocakes 13y agoyour examples are pathetically absurd, what next, getting thrown in jail because you admire your next door neighbours body, because he goes to the gym while you stay inside all day?
- antimagic 13y agoYes, they are pathetically absurd, we can agree on that. They are also illegal in Russia...
- theknown99 13y agoCite some evidence to show that "saying someone is hot" is illegal in Russia. Perhaps if you said it amongst some school kids...
- antimagic 13y agoWe're talking about a country that put members of a rock group in jail for several years for "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" when they peacefully protested against Putin. I don't think it's unreasonable, bearing that in mind, to expect that a law banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" will be used to prosecute people engaging in public displays of same-sex affection. Unless you have some evidence that this has been specifically excluded in the law? I mean, I'd love to be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure this is a law designed to force the gay community underground once again.
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- seivan 13y agoHoly f*ck you're a !"#!"#. "gay propaganda". Not to mention practically state sponsored attacks on LGBT. The fact that you're at the top of this post scares the living crap out of me.
- usaphp 13y agoFrom HN Guidelines: Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."
- James_Duval 13y agoI hope that most people would say the same thing as seivan in a face-to-face conversation. I know I would.
- seivan 13y agoI would tell you that in person, and honestly there is no argument that would convince you that human rights is not propaganda so technically there is no way of going forward here... Scratch that, I probably wouldn't converse with you.
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- MisterWebz 13y agoIt's easy positive publicity. Same reason why AT&T "took a stand" against the anti-gay propaganda law. Same reason why some politicians are calling for a boycott against the Olympics. In fact, I'd wager it's the same reason why Google decided to publicly support the movement against SOPA some time ago. If these companies were truly concerned about human rights, they would take a look at themselves first.
- lurkinggrue 13y agoThe mens ice skating team would want a word with you....