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100 time cheaper dropbox like service
- tmikaeld 13y agoWow, that's sickly cheap! Seems to be owned and run by OVH France. But without encryption and private keys, i'd rather rent a server and use Duplicati.
- dpacmittal 13y agoWell, you can always use LUKS, Truecrypt, EncFS or something similar. I'm more worried about data loss. How redundant is their storage?
- bluefinity 13y agoAccording to the website, they store copies in 3 different locations. > Data is copied in 3 seperate datacentres in France.
- mike-cardwell 13y agoPlus your own 1 or more copies of the data
- Already__Taken 13y agoIf you have enough devices yourself does it matter much? I'd take uptime over redundancy. I always have 2 work pc copies + 2 laptops going. As long as they don't sync empty folders back down I don't mind a services that's only got light redundancy.
- certainly_not 13y agoI can't understand how people trust (or even care about) server-provided encryption. There's no guarantee they or their friends can't open it on their servers. Unless you use your own solution, their encryption only provides protection in transit, against unaffiliated third parties.
- rdl 13y agoLink encryption is good, and it's helpful to ensure the only attack vector is the service provider itself, not sub-contractors or someone being stupid and throwing away drives. That said, Dropbox has done a pretty good job of lying about how much security they offered users in the past. But someone providing a service like this with a reasonable security policy which is openly communicated to the users is still better than no security policy.
- tmikaeld 13y agoWhen it comes to zero-knowledge encryption, it is hard to know how their implementation holds up without external audits. This is the same for other encryption applications (google Truecrypt audit). EVault, Wuala, Tarsnap, SpiderOak, Norton Zone, KeepVault, Jungle Disk, ElephantDrive, CrashPlan, Carbonite, F-Secure, Handy Backup, IASO Backup, MediaFire, MEGA, OwnDrive, TeamDrive etc.. ..all provide Zero-Knowledge encryption for their cloud backups, i think OVH should be able to at least the same.
- drdaeman 13y agoWhat's the point of "supposedly zero-knowledge encryption" if you can't even be sure it's there? If you care about your data security, you'd better consider there is no encryption in such cases. If you don't care - why ask for encryption at all?
- drdaeman 13y agoWhat prevents you from considering this as a bare storage backend to use with Duplicati or, say, TAHOE-LAFS?
- Aoyagi 13y agoI can't seem to find their privacy policy and ToS document is in French. I think I'll pass. In fact, the only mention of privacy I found is "respect for privacy" in data security.
- icebraining 13y agoEncryption is harder to break than any privacy policy.
- mateuszf 13y agoDon't see any mention about encryption on the page. Or are you suggesting that it can be done manually by user?
- icebraining 13y agoThe latter.
- Aoyagi 13y agoIs wanting both unreasonable? I didn't think so.
- simias 13y agoI think the point is that you can't trust third party encryption/privacy statements anyway. If you really care about your privacy you should encrypt your files on your side. There are plenty of solutions to do just that. Everything else is the equivalent of the "do not track" header, security through homeopathy.
- Aoyagi 13y agoPrivacy policy / TOS is something you can base legal cases on in some countries and something certain organizations try to check. And I just have difficulties to trust companies that simply don't say anything on the matter. It doesn't seem to you like they're hiding something? Though yes, I agree that nothing you don't do on your own is really trustworthy. That's why I don't use online storage for storing confidential data, heh. Only puush for the little things. (what's going on with Puush anyway? They've been silent since "going down for maintenance briefly" in September). I guess treating internet as if there is no privacy is for the best.
- maz-dev 13y agoI started using it a year ago. I'm happy with it. It's lacking a polished linux client (cli atm), but they're working on it. On a Sdsl line my upload rate (pc <-> hubic) is 45kb/s, download is 120kb/s. Not mind blowing but it's enough for me, running in the background. For casual sync and backup, I totaly recommend.
- mike-cardwell 13y agoThey seem to have clients for all the major operating systems. Desktop and mobile: https://hubic.com/en/downloads https://hubic.com/en/downloads Linux (BETA), OSX, Windows, Android, iOS, Windows Phone 8, Blackberry
- kybernetikos 13y agoDo you know if it works on ARM? I'd be interested in running this on my network harddrive enclosure or perhaps a raspberry pi.
- kseistrup 13y agoThe Linux client requires mono 2.10+, so I assume this is something written in .NET.
- mverwijs 13y agoI wonder.. could this be a fork of the ol' iFolder by Novell? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder
- throwaway_bNwm8 13y agoNo, it's proprietary software. The project structure is completely different, so it's probably not even inspired by iFolder.
- nodata 13y agoJesus that's cheap. Anyone know how good their differential syncing is, or what they are using (librsync?) Are they using inotify or is it a regular tree walk?
- throwaway_bNwm8 13y ago(Fires up a decompiler) Let's check... 1. From a quick glance I can't find anything related to patching in backend or change handling classes. Either I'm missing something or it doesn't handle arbitrary changes well. There's some suspect-driving long ByteDelta property on Change class, but I fail to see where it's used in a meaningful manner. 2. It uses a lightweight abstraction over System.IO.FileSystemWatcher. This means inotify, when ran on Mono on GNU/Linux.
- rawland 13y agoThe hubic desktop app crashes on Fedora 20. Basically it says good bye with: ~/Downloads/hubic> hubic main-loop [INFO | 2/9/2014 9:05:08 PM | Ovh.Hubic.Sync.Linux.CLI.Server.MainLoop] Application starts (Version: 1.1.13.22-64; Platform: Unix 3.12.9.301) [ERROR | 2/9/2014 9:05:08 PM | Ovh.Hubic.Backend.HubicAccountHandler.GetGreetings] Got error while getting greetings: System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Runtime.Serialization, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies.
- gabriele 13y agoSeems to be based on OpenStack [1] Storage [2]. That means any client that supports OpenStack (and Rackspace Cloud Files [3], for that matter) like Cyberduck [4] and a lot more should already be compatible with hubiC. [1] http://www.openstack.org/ http://www.openstack.org/ [2] https://api.hubic.com/ https://api.hubic.com/ [3] http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/openstack http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/openstack [4] http://cyberduck.ch http://cyberduck.ch
- simias 13y agoDo you know a good client for Linux? Their official client [1] requires mono and I don't want to install that on my server (or even my desktop, for that matter). [1] http://mir7.ovh.net/ovh-applications/hubic/hubiC-Linux/1.1.13/ http://mir7.ovh.net/ovh-applications/hubic/hubiC-Linux/1.1.1...
- gabriele 13y agoCloudfuse [1] allows you to mount remote OpenStack Storage. You'll need to tweak with the ~/.cloudfuse config file. I haven't tested it though. [1] http://redbo.github.io/cloudfuse/ http://redbo.github.io/cloudfuse/
- drdaeman 13y agoThey seem to use custom OAuth-based facade, so bare OpenStack clients won't work out of the box (or I'm missing something, I'm just starting to read about what Swift is). First I tried to use API console to get storage API URI and auth token, but I misunderstood something and it didn't work for me. This, on the other hand, helped, although it uses some other API endpoints (still, those are OVH APIs): https://github.com/gierschv/node-hubic-swiftauth https://github.com/gierschv/node-hubic-swiftauth
- oal 13y agoDoes anyone know if HubiC supports file versioning, like Dropbox? Or will older revisions be lost when a file is changed?
- kseistrup 13y agoI wonder if hubiC uses deduplication across accounts like dropbox does.
- lubos 13y agoI think the answer to this question is pretty much obvious.
- kseistrup 13y agoI don't think this is so obvious. They write that the files are encrypted with my password and that only I have access to them.
- drdaeman 13y agoCould you provide a link for this statement? I found only statements about transport layer security, not about storage. Maybe it meant not "encrypted" but "protected"?
- kseistrup 13y agohttps://hubic.com/en/discover-hubic https://hubic.com/en/discover-hubic “Only you will have access to your data, using your login and password.” I admit that the statement above is ambiguous, which is why I think the answer isn't obvious, and which again is why I asked the question in the first place.
- jlgaddis 13y ago> “Only you will have access to your data, using your login and password.” I don't remember their exact wording, but that sounds very similar to what Dropbox originally claimed (before it was determined that their employees absolutely did have access to your data).
- mike-cardwell 13y agoAndroid client wants access to my calendar and contacts for some reason. I'm gonna install it anyway because I can prevent it from accessing those things after the fact because I'm running an OpenPDroid modified Cyanogenmod.
- egeozcan 13y agoIt seems that their links are already running at half capacity. http://weathermap.ovh.net/ http://weathermap.ovh.net/ OVH is a big company though, so I'm more or less confident that they can handle this smoothly.
- jlgaddis 13y agoOT: Anyone know of a "weathermap" like this that can be overlaid w/ Google Earth or similar?
- Uchikoma 13y ago"The company has eight datacentres housing at least 145,000 machines." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVH
- dewey 13y agoFrom their forum: "As nearly 270,000 of you now use hubiC, we have been able to confirm our technical decisions and this volume has enabled us to further optimise our infrastructure and its performances. Result: we're now able to lower our prices again, and this time we're aiming for nothing less than a million users!" Let's see how that works out, OVH isn't really known to run a uncongested network. I'm still excited because it's just a crazy cheap place to move additional backups to.
- yoha 13y agoOVH (english website [1]) is the best French hosting company and one of the best French domain name registar (with Gandi [2]), and are starting to make themselves a name outside of France. Hubic is the "cloud" offer from OVH. They both have quite a reputation of being reliable and very responsive, and have very fair prices (they are like the hosting counterparts of Free [3], a French ISP that drove subscription fees down to what they now are and forced other ISPs to make their prices fairer). [1] http://www.ovh.co.uk/ http://www.ovh.co.uk/ [2] http://en.gandi.net/ http://en.gandi.net/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_%28ISP%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_%28ISP%29
- dewey 13y ago"They both have quite a reputation of being reliable and very responsive" Have you ever dealt with their support? - I for myself am quite happy with my service (Dedicated server) so far (because I rarely had to deal with the support) but I've heard a few horror stories where some of their biggest UK customers basically got kicked out even though they stayed within the TOS and the terms they signed the contract for, or the thing about their DDoS protection kicking in, rebooting your server even though they are legit requests. You can't beat their prices though.
- tmikaeld 13y agoDo you have links to these "stories"?
- TheAnimus 13y agoJust tried to sign up for the 10TB plan, figure it's a good price for backing up my archive of DNG photographs, which is about 1TB. Not going well so far, credit card form was in french... Said it failed, it refreshed itself, says it's worked, but it isn't showing up on my account. Something tells me that 10 euros is going to cost a hell of a lot more than that of my time getting to the bottom of this.
- Jacqued 13y agoI like OVH and everything, even if I don't host with them anymore. However I tried this service a few months ago, and it was very unreliable and slow to sync files. Sharing files between different people in particular was quite a hassle, which is why i quit using it. Also, I had a lot of trouble with the Linux client. It may get better with time though as the project was only started in 2013 i believe. It's good to have cheap alternatives but if you can pay for Dropbox there's just no comparison in the products.
- endijs 13y agoUpload is slow. From web interface it's around 300KB/s at the moment for me. Just for fun tried out Mega and it's 4MB/s-7MB/s there.
- prottmann 13y agoOnly restricted time for sharing ? Or is an add-on planed for permanent shares (e.g. for companies)?
- Paul12345534 13y agoPretty happy with Crashplan but I might sign up for this also just to have some storage I can access via an API. Crashplan only works with their client and their client isn't exactly lightweight to leave running 24/7.
- uptown 13y agoLOVE Crashplan, but you're absolutely right about their client being resource-intensive. It's my number one complaint about their service.
- drdaeman 13y ago> I confirm having read and fully understood the hubiC General COnditions > PDF en français Luckily, Google Translate provides mostly readable results, but if they present site in English they really should consider translating ToS too. Although I was unable to share direct link (Google rejects to translate PDF from URL, only by direct upload), and the result not peeep.us-able, I was able to save it as a paste here to save others time downloading and uploading the PDF: http://dabblet.com/gist/8861421 http://dabblet.com/gist/8861421 (Dabblet seems broken, too, "view full page result" fails, so click "result" tab to get rid of unnecessary panes) Some points I got(but may have misunderstood) from there: - There're 10Mbps up/down bandwidth limits. - You remain the sole owner of your data. - Not allowed to store and/or share ("stocker et/ou partager") porn (huh‽) and some other kind of content considered indecent, disturbing or unlawful. - They're not responsible for failed transfers, you explicitly agree have to check that the files succesfully uploaded by yourself. - Commercial use of service is prohibited (uh... only personal accounts?) - I didn't really get this part: "Le Client s'engage à régler directement à l'auteur de la réclamation toute somme que celui ci exigerait d’OVH." but Google says it translates to something like "The Customer agrees to pay directly to the author of the claim any amount that it would require OVH." From the context, I may guess the meaning is, that if you somehow caused some damage, you're going to protect OVH in court and if you/they're held responsible, you're going to pay those damages. Hmmm...
- agumonkey 13y agoNot sure if that will help, but here's my understanding: "Le Client s'engage à régler directement à l'auteur de la réclamation toute somme que celui ci exigerait d’OVH." If an author ask compensation to OVH, you (OVH Client) pay the author directly the wanted amount.
- jmnicolas 13y agoThose prices are crazy and are not sustainable. I don't think they're going to disappear, but customers should expect prices to rise in the future ...
- lingben 13y agoactually according to dewey: From their forum: "As nearly 270,000 of you now use hubiC, we have been able to confirm our technical decisions and this volume has enabled us to further optimise our infrastructure and its performances. Result: we're now able to lower our prices again, and this time we're aiming for nothing less than a million users!"
- jmnicolas 13y agoI don't see in any part of his statement that they're profitable and that they won't rise the prices once they have established dominance in the storage market. It's only by being so cheap that they can carve themselves a place in this saturated market.
- gabriel34 13y agoFor backups Backblaze is even cheaper, but I could see the advantage in using it as data storage and duplicating to my computer as needed. Probably cheaper than buying and managing my own hard drives; definitely safer. Does anyone know how fast is the download from their servers?
- balladeer 13y agoEarlier when I used to see people mentioning BackBlaze and not CrashPlan I used to be pissed in a way,but after I used its (BB's) native app for a month (on trial) I could see the difference.
- drdaeman 13y agoBackBlaze only keeps deleted files for 30 days. They are backup copy, not backup archive. At least CrashPlan could be used as both with "remove deleted versions: never" setting.
- balladeer 13y agoYes, that's one thing. But if that's not a big issue for me (which is not) then the CrashPlan interface and app makes me cry. (I am still a CrashPlan user though; "friends" as destination is sth very important to me).
- nodata 13y agoBackblaze is for backup, this is for storage.
- dbecker 13y agoAre there really people who are turned off by dropbox prices? I would take notice if someone made a dropbox with a valuable additional feature, or a dropbox that worked better (recognizing that already dropbox works very smoothly). But price seems like a nonstarter.
- drdaeman 13y agoI'd use Dropbox as write-once-read-occasionally personal junk archival storage, but they don't offer anything in that area. This service does, and for an astonishingly great price. 10TiB for 10€, and they even promised something about internal 3x storage redundancy. I'm unzipping my wallet right after I run basic checks with free account.
- jlgaddis 13y ago> I'd use Dropbox as write-once-read-occasionally personal junk archival storage ... That's what I'm using Amazon Glacier for. I have tons of old files that I'll likely never need/want again and that I would normally just blow away in order to regain the disk space. It's so damn cheap, though, that I've started archiving them all to Glacier and then blowing them away.
- drdaeman 13y agoWell, this offer seems to be about 10x cheaper. Not to say you don't have to wait for hours before you retrieve the file, and it's flat rate, not "download some percent from what you've uploaded today for free, otherwise pay for the bandwidth" plan. For example, I've used Bitcasa before, but consider them too unreliable as a long-term business and left their service. It didn't cost me a cent to pull all the data back (with some minor exceptions their buggy software managed to lose unrecoverably, but I never considered them rock-solid-reliable from the beginning and had backups). With Glacier, I guess, I'd have to shell out $150 (~1.5TB) just to leave with my data. There are other unlimited/large storage offers of various pricing and quality, but this one seem the best to me this far because of OpenStack API (I'd wish Cyphertite had a datacenter in Europe or Russia, but nope, so they're too slow for me, and I'm not really sure even though they're "unlimited" they'll be happy with terabyte archives). That is, unless one has more than 10 terabytes to archive.
- ksec 13y agoI dont know why everything about OVH 's graphics and design all seems to have a distinct lack of taste. In other words they are ugly. Now back to topic. How much is it in USD then? Since it paid in Euro and includes VAT by default. What if i dont need to pay VAT?
- kraag22 13y agoI tried hubiC and it exactly same as dropbox, but worse services and better prices. So it is useless. I need cloud storage which I could use "unsynchronized". If I had 10TB hardrive in my MAC, I would use it. But I have only 100 GB so it is useless
- omasque 13y agoLast name and first name fields are mislabeled (switched) when I go to sign up. Cheers!