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You, like a whole bunch of the new technocratic futurists, have almost no ability to discern fantasy from reality. What you're talking about is popularly known

You, like a whole bunch of the new technocratic futurists, have almost no ability to discern fantasy from reality. What you're talking about is popularly known as science fiction. You should be writing books and not pretending like you know the first thing about politics. The reason why things take so long in reality is because there is a multitude of voices. Reddit does not promote pluralism, rather a giant circle-jerk of like minded individuals. Compromise is the name of the game in politics, something that the goon squad on Reddit has almost no understanding of.

Carltonian 13y ago
It's not compromise. Compromise implies you give a fuck about the wills and whims of the other party or parties out of concern or compassion or belief in some objective fairness. That's not how shit works. You aim to get what you can anyway you can or you lose to someone else who does. That's politics.
- chriswarbo 13y ago
  What usually happens is that a policy will have some ridiculously extreme measures added to it, which no sane person would ever agree to. Then, in the name of "compromise", those extreme measures will be taken out and the policy ends up passing in its original form. As an added bonus, those who oppose the policy's original measures are "paranoid" and "unwilling to compromise". Some examples which spring to mind are the Snoopers' Charter and Digital Economy Act.
l33tbro 13y ago
You offer a lot of piss and vinegar, yet little insight. Please elaborate on "fantasy and reality" and "science fiction" instead of throwing up bombasitc refute. Also, parent post has no mention of Reddit. What are you actually saying here? IF you're going to barate parent comment, then you're going to have to (at the very least) back it up with a few reasons why his/her system would fail.
- williamcotton 13y ago
  The basic tenant is know as 'conservatism'. You may be surprised to realize just how lacking in radicalism any sustainable political systems are. US style liberal democracy wasn't a large departure from UK style parliamentary democracy. The president is modeled on the King, the Senate on the House of Lords and the House of Representatives on the House of Commons. Slowly over time the Senate and the Presidency were made more directly democratic. Our system of common law has a continuous chain of statements going back to England for many hundreds of years. Capitalism was going on for hundreds of years before it was described by Adam Smith. You know what always fails? When a group of nitwits gets together and decides they've got it all figured out and then submit the rest of society to their hair-brained ideas. In the last 100 years engineers have have played a large role in a number. See: Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini. So yeah, expect a lot of vitriol from students of history when some engineers start getting really excited about playing the role of political radical. The meritocracy the SV loves so much is basically a nightmare when applied to society st large. You'll have designed a system by and for computer engineers with the premise that all of the unwashed masses will either have to sink or swim in your newly founded utopia system. You're going to fuck it up and along with that you're going to fuck up millions of lives. Are there any fucking adults on this forum any more? Do your parents know where you are? If not, you should probably call and let hem know, they are probably worried sick.
- snowwrestler 13y ago
  From the parent post: > Think about how many great things have sprung out of places like Reddit. To think about what is lacking in the fantasy lets start with what happens when there is no overwhelming support for anything. How does a whiz-bang networking technology solve fundamental human disagreements? It's also worth asking if speed of execution is really the defining characteristic of a good government. Plenty of horrible governments have been able to get horrible things done quickly and efficiently.

Carltonian 13y ago

It's not compromise. Compromise implies you give a fuck about the wills and whims of the other party or parties out of concern or compassion or belief in some objective fairness. That's not how shit works. You aim to get what you can anyway you can or you lose to someone else who does. That's politics.

chriswarbo 13y ago
What usually happens is that a policy will have some ridiculously extreme measures added to it, which no sane person would ever agree to. Then, in the name of "compromise", those extreme measures will be taken out and the policy ends up passing in its original form. As an added bonus, those who oppose the policy's original measures are "paranoid" and "unwilling to compromise". Some examples which spring to mind are the Snoopers' Charter and Digital Economy Act.

l33tbro 13y ago

You offer a lot of piss and vinegar, yet little insight. Please elaborate on "fantasy and reality" and "science fiction" instead of throwing up bombasitc refute. Also, parent post has no mention of Reddit. What are you actually saying here? IF you're going to barate parent comment, then you're going to have to (at the very least) back it up with a few reasons why his/her system would fail.

williamcotton 13y ago
The basic tenant is know as 'conservatism'. You may be surprised to realize just how lacking in radicalism any sustainable political systems are. US style liberal democracy wasn't a large departure from UK style parliamentary democracy. The president is modeled on the King, the Senate on the House of Lords and the House of Representatives on the House of Commons. Slowly over time the Senate and the Presidency were made more directly democratic. Our system of common law has a continuous chain of statements going back to England for many hundreds of years. Capitalism was going on for hundreds of years before it was described by Adam Smith. You know what always fails? When a group of nitwits gets together and decides they've got it all figured out and then submit the rest of society to their hair-brained ideas. In the last 100 years engineers have have played a large role in a number. See: Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini. So yeah, expect a lot of vitriol from students of history when some engineers start getting really excited about playing the role of political radical. The meritocracy the SV loves so much is basically a nightmare when applied to society st large. You'll have designed a system by and for computer engineers with the premise that all of the unwashed masses will either have to sink or swim in your newly founded utopia system. You're going to fuck it up and along with that you're going to fuck up millions of lives. Are there any fucking adults on this forum any more? Do your parents know where you are? If not, you should probably call and let hem know, they are probably worried sick.
snowwrestler 13y ago
From the parent post: > Think about how many great things have sprung out of places like Reddit. To think about what is lacking in the fantasy lets start with what happens when there is no overwhelming support for anything. How does a whiz-bang networking technology solve fundamental human disagreements? It's also worth asking if speed of execution is really the defining characteristic of a good government. Plenty of horrible governments have been able to get horrible things done quickly and efficiently.