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http://www.nutellausa.com/faqs.htm http://www.nutellausa.com/faqs.htm Nutella is "a member of the RSPO (Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil), Ferrero only uses

http://www.nutellausa.com/faqs.htm http://www.nutellausa.com/faqs.htm Nutella is "a member of the RSPO (Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil), Ferrero only uses palm oil which is extracted from controlled plantations in Malaysia." So you can enjoy your Nutella guilt free.

pstuart 13y ago
If one also ignores the fact that it's mainly sugar frosting.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  Well, that's the primary motivation for the purchase, is it not?
- justinator 13y ago
  See if Justin's Hazelnut Butter spread is available. Much less sugar, and less palm oil (more actual nuts) and Justin's also a member of RSPO. It will cost you about an arm and a leg, but it's oh, so good. http://www.justins.com/products.php http://www.justins.com/products.php Sadly, I don't there's a way to directly link to the product description, which is really silly, but allows you to explore some other things they have. Their Vanilla Almond Butter tastes like cookie dough. In a good way. (I am also not "Justin", of "Justin's"
- pekk 13y ago
  The subject was that palm oil involves dead orangutans. Does sugar frosting do that too, or are we changing the subject to how sugar is bad? If you overeat sugar frosting, it's your diabetes, not a negative externality.
  - dredmorbius 13y ago
    Diabetes in a modern technological society with socialized healthcare (and all modern healthcare systems are to some extent socialized) does impose negative externalities. As do many other diseases. TDR-TB is one of my, um, favorites in this regard: http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1wc86m/the_nasty_thing_about_tdrtb_is_that_its/ http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1wc86m/the_nast...
sleepyhead 13y ago
No palm oil is sustainable. I have lived in Malaysia and can tell you that most the five hour drive from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore is spent looking at palm oil plantations. Malaysia is in fact with Indonesia by far the worst offender when it comes to deforestation. Also both countries are highly corrupt. Land grabbing is the norm and politicians and businessmen gain from the losses of the people in villages and the animals in the jungles that once were there. So please don't say guilt free.
- jpatokal 13y ago
  Depends on what you mean by "sustainable". I agree that Johor has already been turned into one giant palm oil plantation, but as far as I know the current plantations can keep operating pretty much indefinitely, and peninsular Malaysia is not stripmining its national parks and remaining virgin jungle the way Indonesia is. (The Borneo side is a bit of a different story.)

pstuart 13y ago

If one also ignores the fact that it's mainly sugar frosting.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
Well, that's the primary motivation for the purchase, is it not?
justinator 13y ago
See if Justin's Hazelnut Butter spread is available. Much less sugar, and less palm oil (more actual nuts) and Justin's also a member of RSPO. It will cost you about an arm and a leg, but it's oh, so good. http://www.justins.com/products.php http://www.justins.com/products.php Sadly, I don't there's a way to directly link to the product description, which is really silly, but allows you to explore some other things they have. Their Vanilla Almond Butter tastes like cookie dough. In a good way. (I am also not "Justin", of "Justin's"
pekk 13y ago
The subject was that palm oil involves dead orangutans. Does sugar frosting do that too, or are we changing the subject to how sugar is bad? If you overeat sugar frosting, it's your diabetes, not a negative externality.
- dredmorbius 13y ago
  Diabetes in a modern technological society with socialized healthcare (and all modern healthcare systems are to some extent socialized) does impose negative externalities. As do many other diseases. TDR-TB is one of my, um, favorites in this regard: http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1wc86m/the_nasty_thing_about_tdrtb_is_that_its/ http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1wc86m/the_nast...

sleepyhead 13y ago

No palm oil is sustainable. I have lived in Malaysia and can tell you that most the five hour drive from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore is spent looking at palm oil plantations. Malaysia is in fact with Indonesia by far the worst offender when it comes to deforestation. Also both countries are highly corrupt. Land grabbing is the norm and politicians and businessmen gain from the losses of the people in villages and the animals in the jungles that once were there. So please don't say guilt free.

jpatokal 13y ago
Depends on what you mean by "sustainable". I agree that Johor has already been turned into one giant palm oil plantation, but as far as I know the current plantations can keep operating pretty much indefinitely, and peninsular Malaysia is not stripmining its national parks and remaining virgin jungle the way Indonesia is. (The Borneo side is a bit of a different story.)