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Kind of shocked they won't be offering a Kindle version. I was a big fan of the 1.5 edition.

div 13y ago
Agreed, I really don't like physical technical books. If an epub was available, I would have spent the time writing this comment by filling out my credit card details in stead.
- rom16384 13y ago
  Exactly. I purchased the 1.5 ebook version, and was also going to buy this one if it was priced reasonably, but won't bother buying the paper version.
  - liyanage 13y ago
    Same here, I would immediately buy this new version (I bought the first one) if it were available electronically. I stopped buying paper technical books, they are never around when I need them. I also like to read them on my iPad, phone and laptop at different times. My money now goes to publishers (like O'Reilly) who support my workflow.
    - targusman 13y ago
      i agree with you but i also understand the authors. there are trolls on reddit and other places that promote not buying the book and getting it off bittorrent.
    - thatthatis 13y ago
      I am yet another lost customer. The rationale seems petty and short sighted to me.
jpdlla 13y ago
Reasons for the print-only decision here http://twoscoopspress.com/pages/two-scoops-of-django-1-6-faq#format-1.6 http://twoscoopspress.com/pages/two-scoops-of-django-1-6-faq...
- jaegerpicker 13y ago
  Right, I read them also. Unfortunately I think they aren't very good reasons and won't be purchasing the book because of that. I really loved the first book, easily the best django book I've read but I don't buy print books any longer for several reasons, storage space, environmental concerns, and price. I'm not angry about it but I'll not be supporting authors who won't provide the books in a format that is useful to me. It's far too useful for me to have all of my books available to me at a moments notice where ever I go. I work from a lot of different locations and it's far more practical to carry an ipad with me them a mountain of books.
- dalore 13y ago
  >The book is being released in print format only. We've decided on this because: >The print version of Two Scoops of Django 1.5 has been by far the most popular version of the book with readers, selling several times more than the e-books. In addition, the feedback we've gotten has been that technical books are generally better to have in print than as an ebook. >Creating and proofing each ebook format is not a trivial effort. It involves reformatting every code sample to work on every ebook reader, accounting for differences in screen contrast, accessibility testing, and proofreading the text and code samples several times on each device. Instead of spending our time struggling with reformatting, we're choosing to focus on improving the technical material. >Considering that we publicly offered a free electronic copy to those who requested it, seeing piracy of the electronic editions from the first day of sales has been disheartening. As indie authors, it hurts to see this happening. Now I don't agree with those reasons. I prefer an ebook version as I can bookmark it, make notes, read it on my phone etc. But they have their reasons. It's not going to stop piracy and I might purchase the paper copy and then download one of the pirate versions that will come out. I would prefer they offered a free ebook version that they didn't spend time fixing the code layout issues they mention. The book exists as an electronic version anyhow when it goes to the publisher so it wouldn't be a big deal.
  - targusman 13y ago
    the problem with NOT fixing the layout issues is the negative reviews on amazon... which hurts sales. Ever see an amazon book that's well rated for print and poorly rated for the kindle? happens a lot and amazon combines the reviews into both books. Unfair and the authors can do nothing!
ashray 13y ago
No digital version ? I think that's absolutely ridiculous! I read their reasons for not having one but lets be honest, this is a book for programmers ? And it doesn't have a digital version ? Someone's clearly lost the plot here! I supported the previous edition of the book since the beta version. I'm a digital nomad, I work all over the world, I'm not about to lug a 446 page django book with me wherever I go. There are several developers who like to search for and bookmark stuff in their ebooks. Now it's impossible to Ctrl+F. Some of us like to read on the train or like to read on different platforms (kindle/ipad/iphone/android/etc). I recommended the first version of this book to several fellow django programmers. Unfortunately I am really disappointed by this print-only decision. The fact that piracy was a reason for it disheartens me even more. I guess these guys have never heard of anyone scanning in a physical book and sharing PDFs over the internet. Providing a print only version will just hurt legitimate customers, the pirates are still gonna pirate :( I can count down the days that this shows up on the pirate bay. As for the fact that "The print version sold the most". Well, were the print people supporting your book while you were in beta releasing new versions every week ? Did they give you feedback on how good/bad the content was ? Seriously guys, your next book should be about "How not to do programming books".
- neves 13y ago
  And we in the corners of the world have to pay a lot of money just for shipping.
- FireBeyond 13y ago
  Yeah. Fairly disappointed. I just paid print+epub version of "Two Scoops of Django 1.5" very recently, and now out comes this. Not saying that I should get a free copy, no. But I don't have a choice but to pay another $40. (Not that I -have- to.)
megaman821 13y ago
Yeah, I was all set to order this book on Amazon but I prefer my books on Kindle. Hopefully they change their minds since it looks like a great book.

div 13y ago

Agreed, I really don't like physical technical books. If an epub was available, I would have spent the time writing this comment by filling out my credit card details in stead.

rom16384 13y ago
Exactly. I purchased the 1.5 ebook version, and was also going to buy this one if it was priced reasonably, but won't bother buying the paper version.
- liyanage 13y ago
  Same here, I would immediately buy this new version (I bought the first one) if it were available electronically. I stopped buying paper technical books, they are never around when I need them. I also like to read them on my iPad, phone and laptop at different times. My money now goes to publishers (like O'Reilly) who support my workflow.
  - targusman 13y ago
    i agree with you but i also understand the authors. there are trolls on reddit and other places that promote not buying the book and getting it off bittorrent.
  - thatthatis 13y ago
    I am yet another lost customer. The rationale seems petty and short sighted to me.

jpdlla 13y ago

Reasons for the print-only decision here http://twoscoopspress.com/pages/two-scoops-of-django-1-6-faq#format-1.6 http://twoscoopspress.com/pages/two-scoops-of-django-1-6-faq...

jaegerpicker 13y ago
Right, I read them also. Unfortunately I think they aren't very good reasons and won't be purchasing the book because of that. I really loved the first book, easily the best django book I've read but I don't buy print books any longer for several reasons, storage space, environmental concerns, and price. I'm not angry about it but I'll not be supporting authors who won't provide the books in a format that is useful to me. It's far too useful for me to have all of my books available to me at a moments notice where ever I go. I work from a lot of different locations and it's far more practical to carry an ipad with me them a mountain of books.
dalore 13y ago
>The book is being released in print format only. We've decided on this because: >The print version of Two Scoops of Django 1.5 has been by far the most popular version of the book with readers, selling several times more than the e-books. In addition, the feedback we've gotten has been that technical books are generally better to have in print than as an ebook. >Creating and proofing each ebook format is not a trivial effort. It involves reformatting every code sample to work on every ebook reader, accounting for differences in screen contrast, accessibility testing, and proofreading the text and code samples several times on each device. Instead of spending our time struggling with reformatting, we're choosing to focus on improving the technical material. >Considering that we publicly offered a free electronic copy to those who requested it, seeing piracy of the electronic editions from the first day of sales has been disheartening. As indie authors, it hurts to see this happening. Now I don't agree with those reasons. I prefer an ebook version as I can bookmark it, make notes, read it on my phone etc. But they have their reasons. It's not going to stop piracy and I might purchase the paper copy and then download one of the pirate versions that will come out. I would prefer they offered a free ebook version that they didn't spend time fixing the code layout issues they mention. The book exists as an electronic version anyhow when it goes to the publisher so it wouldn't be a big deal.
- targusman 13y ago
  the problem with NOT fixing the layout issues is the negative reviews on amazon... which hurts sales. Ever see an amazon book that's well rated for print and poorly rated for the kindle? happens a lot and amazon combines the reviews into both books. Unfair and the authors can do nothing!

ashray 13y ago

No digital version ? I think that's absolutely ridiculous! I read their reasons for not having one but lets be honest, this is a book for programmers ? And it doesn't have a digital version ? Someone's clearly lost the plot here! I supported the previous edition of the book since the beta version. I'm a digital nomad, I work all over the world, I'm not about to lug a 446 page django book with me wherever I go. There are several developers who like to search for and bookmark stuff in their ebooks. Now it's impossible to Ctrl+F. Some of us like to read on the train or like to read on different platforms (kindle/ipad/iphone/android/etc). I recommended the first version of this book to several fellow django programmers. Unfortunately I am really disappointed by this print-only decision. The fact that piracy was a reason for it disheartens me even more. I guess these guys have never heard of anyone scanning in a physical book and sharing PDFs over the internet. Providing a print only version will just hurt legitimate customers, the pirates are still gonna pirate :( I can count down the days that this shows up on the pirate bay. As for the fact that "The print version sold the most". Well, were the print people supporting your book while you were in beta releasing new versions every week ? Did they give you feedback on how good/bad the content was ? Seriously guys, your next book should be about "How not to do programming books".

neves 13y ago
And we in the corners of the world have to pay a lot of money just for shipping.
FireBeyond 13y ago
Yeah. Fairly disappointed. I just paid print+epub version of "Two Scoops of Django 1.5" very recently, and now out comes this. Not saying that I should get a free copy, no. But I don't have a choice but to pay another $40. (Not that I -have- to.)

megaman821 13y ago

Yeah, I was all set to order this book on Amazon but I prefer my books on Kindle. Hopefully they change their minds since it looks like a great book.