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I do not mean to say that drug dogs are okay. My point is that there is an amount of evidence that drug dogs do what they claim to do. The easiest way to get ri

by Guvante 13y ago

I do not mean to say that drug dogs are okay. My point is that there is an amount of evidence that drug dogs do what they claim to do. The easiest way to get rid of them is to bring forward enough evidence to show they don't work as advertised. Rather than the usual "drug dogs might not work so we should get rid of them" that gets thrown around.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
Won't work. Then the dogs will just he replaced with other sensors. They'll likely be replaced with robotic sensors in the near future regardless. The only fix is on principle.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
>The easiest way to get rid of them is to bring forward enough evidence to show they don't work as advertised. Unfortunately I don't share your optimism. In 2012 SCOTUS wasn't impressed with any fancy notions about data or statistics regarding false positives in prior policework; although, they didn't seem to mind 'objective' measurements of dog qualification when they were favorable (controlled environment qualification trials). >"We have rejected rigid rules, bright-line tests, and mechanistic inquiries in favor of a more flexible, all-things-considered approach. In Gates, for example, we abandoned our old test for assessing the reliability of informants' tips because it had devolved into a "complex superstructure of evidentiary and analytical rules," any one of which, if not complied with, would derail a finding of probable cause. 462 U. S., at 235. We lamented the development of a list of "inflexible, independent requirements applicable in every case." Id., at 230, n. 6. Probable cause, we emphasized, is "a fluid concept--turning on the assessment of probabilities in particular factual contexts--not readily, or even use- fully, reduced to a neat set of legal rules." Id., at 232."[1] [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=11-817 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&na... see also: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-narcotics-detect http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-na... http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/4968 http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/4968

by Guvante 13y ago

alexeisadeski3 13y ago

Won't work. Then the dogs will just he replaced with other sensors. They'll likely be replaced with robotic sensors in the near future regardless. The only fix is on principle.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

>The easiest way to get rid of them is to bring forward enough evidence to show they don't work as advertised. Unfortunately I don't share your optimism. In 2012 SCOTUS wasn't impressed with any fancy notions about data or statistics regarding false positives in prior policework; although, they didn't seem to mind 'objective' measurements of dog qualification when they were favorable (controlled environment qualification trials). >"We have rejected rigid rules, bright-line tests, and mechanistic inquiries in favor of a more flexible, all-things-considered approach. In Gates, for example, we abandoned our old test for assessing the reliability of informants' tips because it had devolved into a "complex superstructure of evidentiary and analytical rules," any one of which, if not complied with, would derail a finding of probable cause. 462 U. S., at 235. We lamented the development of a list of "inflexible, independent requirements applicable in every case." Id., at 230, n. 6. Probable cause, we emphasized, is "a fluid concept--turning on the assessment of probabilities in particular factual contexts--not readily, or even use- fully, reduced to a neat set of legal rules." Id., at 232."[1] [1] http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=11-817 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&na... see also: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-narcotics-detect http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-na... http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/4968 http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/4968