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> Pornography is awful stuff. It exploits the way our minds work, and ruins peace and happiness. Is it OK for you to tell someone else what they are allowed to

by gtaylor 13y ago

> Pornography is awful stuff. It exploits the way our minds work, and ruins peace and happiness. Is it OK for you to tell someone else what they are allowed to watch? That's the sticking point, and what is being done by Google (and so many others). You may not like porn, but there are a massive number that are OK with it. Is it right for you to impose your morals on others? Definitely don't take this as inflammatory, but I personally (as an American) don't want my morals and beliefs forced on others. I think a lot of problems could be solved if everyone gave this a shot. Different strokes, etc.

GnwbZHiU 13y ago
be cool mate. "pornography is awful stuff" is a statement, it's allright to express what people have in mind. No one force you anything.
GnwbZHiU 13y ago
On the other hand, you also can't impose Google (and others) to sell porn. you may like porn, but some sellers don't like it. so what's the problem?
- gtaylor 13y ago
  Nobody is imposing porn selling on Google.
sdegutis 13y ago
> I personally (as an American) don't want my morals and beliefs forced on others Impossible. At the end of the day, all laws and rules come from someone's morals and beliefs, regardless of who that is or what they've named those morals and beliefs.
- sdegutis 13y ago
  I honestly can't even guess why someone downvoted that. Morals/beliefs are a fundamental part of human thinking. Whether it's named, whether it comes from a religion or just a person's own experience in life, it always exists in the brain. That's kind of a fact. So, pretty confused about the downvote right about now...
  - gtaylor 13y ago
    Because it's a bit petty and flat out wrong. Many laws exist not for moral reasons, but to keep the whole system running. If we were allowed to murder one another without consequences, society would be vastly different. If we were allowed to cheat on our taxes without punishment, the system itself may collapse. While there are certainly buffoons legislating their morals on others, I think the greater chunk of modern legislation is corporate/profit driven rather than this pressing of morals you mentioned. There are, of course, exceptions, but I think your comments harped on only one motivator (of many) for legislation.
    - sdegutis 13y ago
      > If we were allowed to murder one another without consequences, society would be vastly different There's an inherent belief that the difference in society would be bad. Is that true? Bad is pretty qualitative, so it comes down to a belief. > If we were allowed to cheat on our taxes without punishment, the system itself may collapse. There's an inherent belief that "the system" is a good thing, and that we don't want it to collapse. But again, this is a subjective belief, not universally held. Your comment is based on implicit beliefs of what is "best" for society (or even humanity) as a whole. I'm pretty sure you can't prove that your beliefs are "correct", because I'm sure most people would argue that subjective beliefs can't be correct or incorrect, they're just beliefs.
      - sdegutis 13y ago
        By the way, my debating this point does not imply that I agree with it.

by gtaylor 13y ago

GnwbZHiU 13y ago

be cool mate. "pornography is awful stuff" is a statement, it's allright to express what people have in mind. No one force you anything.

GnwbZHiU 13y ago

On the other hand, you also can't impose Google (and others) to sell porn. you may like porn, but some sellers don't like it. so what's the problem?

gtaylor 13y ago
Nobody is imposing porn selling on Google.

sdegutis 13y ago

> I personally (as an American) don't want my morals and beliefs forced on others Impossible. At the end of the day, all laws and rules come from someone's morals and beliefs, regardless of who that is or what they've named those morals and beliefs.

sdegutis 13y ago
I honestly can't even guess why someone downvoted that. Morals/beliefs are a fundamental part of human thinking. Whether it's named, whether it comes from a religion or just a person's own experience in life, it always exists in the brain. That's kind of a fact. So, pretty confused about the downvote right about now...
- gtaylor 13y ago
  Because it's a bit petty and flat out wrong. Many laws exist not for moral reasons, but to keep the whole system running. If we were allowed to murder one another without consequences, society would be vastly different. If we were allowed to cheat on our taxes without punishment, the system itself may collapse. While there are certainly buffoons legislating their morals on others, I think the greater chunk of modern legislation is corporate/profit driven rather than this pressing of morals you mentioned. There are, of course, exceptions, but I think your comments harped on only one motivator (of many) for legislation.
  - sdegutis 13y ago
    > If we were allowed to murder one another without consequences, society would be vastly different There's an inherent belief that the difference in society would be bad. Is that true? Bad is pretty qualitative, so it comes down to a belief. > If we were allowed to cheat on our taxes without punishment, the system itself may collapse. There's an inherent belief that "the system" is a good thing, and that we don't want it to collapse. But again, this is a subjective belief, not universally held. Your comment is based on implicit beliefs of what is "best" for society (or even humanity) as a whole. I'm pretty sure you can't prove that your beliefs are "correct", because I'm sure most people would argue that subjective beliefs can't be correct or incorrect, they're just beliefs.
    - sdegutis 13y ago
      By the way, my debating this point does not imply that I agree with it.