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> Give the standard 2014, 2015 and let's see where we are. People said exactly the same thing about Miracast in 2013 and 2012. We still aren't anywhere with it

> Give the standard 2014, 2015 and let's see where we are. People said exactly the same thing about Miracast in 2013 and 2012. We still aren't anywhere with it. It is more broken than it is working, it is a giant mess. > The Chromecast comparison is really a bad one - yes you can tabcast You can fullscreen cast. > but really it is designed around a "send this URL to play" experience which is much much easier to accomplish than real-time streaming. Except for the tab casting and full screen casting..? > For the real-time streaming, you only have a single sink device to worry about and it only works on desktops (for now). You're strangely contradicting yourself. First you acknowledge that tab casting is a thing,then you pretend that tab casting isn't something it does and use that as justification for Miracast's superiority? Very confusing. Also "only have a single sink device" is total gibberish. Even assuming the word "sync" it is still nonsense, both Miracast and Chromecast only support a single device on either end (sender and receiver). PS - Chromecast works with other devices. It isn't just desktops. People already made apps that could send a full Android "desktop" to the Chromecast back in the early days before Google killed it with an update. I'm sure it will return with the release of this SDK. > Your surface area is much smaller, so of course interop is going to be better. It is an identical surface area between the two.

lsaferite 13y ago
> "only have a single sink device" I'm sure the OP was referring to source (sender) and sink (receiver) devices. And more specifically that the only current sink device is the Chromecast dongle.
- UnoriginalGuy 13y ago
  That isn't accurate. The YouTube app on several TVs (e.g. Samsung) can receive Chromecast streams.
  - upbeat_addict 13y ago
    I've also noticed recently that I can cast to my PS3 from the Chromecast icon in the YouTube app, so long as the PS3 YouTube app is running. I see it alongside my chromecast as an option. Presumably, the PS3 Netflix app behaves the same way.
  - eclipxe 13y ago
    That isn't a Chromecast stream. It is an open standard called DIAL (http://www.dial-multiscreen.org/ http://www.dial-multiscreen.org/) Specifically, only Tab casting/full screen casting works to Chromecast. Go ahead and cast your tab/screen to your Samsung TV. I'll wait.
    - lsaferite 13y ago
      Just as a gee whiz, DIAL is also what is used to send video from the NetFlix phone app to the NetFlix PS3 app.
- eclipxe 13y ago
  Correct, thanks.
Kudos 13y ago
> You can fullscreen cast. Since when? Source?
- UnoriginalGuy 13y ago
  Basically since the Chromecast was released. The Chromecast came out on July 24, 2013, and several dozen articles note the feature before the end of July (26-28th). Just click the little down arrow on the Chromecast button (part of the Chromecast extension) then "Cast entire screen (experimental)." July 26th, 2013: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/26/tip-chromecast-can-cast-your-entire-desktop-screen-too-not-just-tabs/ http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/26/tip-chromecast-can-cast... July 26th, 2013: http://www.androidauthority.com/chromecast-share-entire-desktop-screen-how-to-249436/ http://www.androidauthority.com/chromecast-share-entire-desk... July 27th, 2013: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380302 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380302 July 26th, 2013: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1j3sd1/chromecast_can_cast_your_entire_desktop_screen/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1j3sd1/chromecast_c...
  - Kudos 13y ago
    Oh my god, I can't believe I missed that...
  - officialjunk 13y ago
    Does this mean I can stream any app and my desktop or just a full screen chrome window?
    - pawelkomarnicki 13y ago
      Unfortunately (at least for me) it seems like it doesn't work via LAN, but somehow uses Internet connection to stream to somewhere and then back, kinda sucks and slow
      - dmdavis 13y ago
        Full screen streaming works beautifully for me, it's how my wife and I watch Amazon Prime movies. It's just like watching TV. I've read that the computer needs to encode the video it's streaming to the chromecast, so if your computer is slow, the streaming will be slow. That may be why you were getting poor results.
eclipxe 13y ago
>People said exactly the same thing about Miracast in 2013 and 2012. We still aren't anywhere with it. It is more broken than it is working, it is a giant mess. I'm glad your time-machine is working and you've experienced the 2015 ecosystem. >You're strangely contradicting yourself. First you acknowledge that tab casting is a thing,then you pretend that tab casting isn't something it does and use that as justification for Miracast's superiority? Very confusing. I'm not pretending tab casting isn't a thing. What I mean by "sink" is a device that receives the stream. Chromecast can do this because it controls both ends, the software you install on Chrome and the Chromecast device (the sink). Your surface area for testing and coverage is much smaller, vs a standard that is in hundreds of devices. Even then the feature is still not on mobile devices officially and is experimental. >PS - Chromecast works with other devices. It isn't just desktops. People already made apps that could send a full Android "desktop" to the Chromecast back in the early days before Google killed it with an update. I'm sure it will return with the release of this SDK. Yes, I've used Koush's Allcast app and it is nice. I'm not saying it won't happen (Android to Chromecast) - it will. But still you aren't getting what I'm saying here - there is only one target device you have to build for (Chromecast) not hundreds of TVs, BluRay players, and dongles. >It is an identical surface area between the two. I mean test and interop surface area. It is surely not identical. Your test matrix for Chromecast is n. For Miracast it is n^2. That is the real problem. Not your straw man about "DRM"
- saltysugar 13y ago
  > here is only one target device you have to build for (Chromecast) not hundreds of TVs, BluRay players, and dongles. Just chiming in, Google actually has plan to work with TV makers to integrate Chromecast technology into future smart TVs, and hopefully other peripheral devices too.

lsaferite 13y ago

> "only have a single sink device" I'm sure the OP was referring to source (sender) and sink (receiver) devices. And more specifically that the only current sink device is the Chromecast dongle.

UnoriginalGuy 13y ago
That isn't accurate. The YouTube app on several TVs (e.g. Samsung) can receive Chromecast streams.
- upbeat_addict 13y ago
  I've also noticed recently that I can cast to my PS3 from the Chromecast icon in the YouTube app, so long as the PS3 YouTube app is running. I see it alongside my chromecast as an option. Presumably, the PS3 Netflix app behaves the same way.
- eclipxe 13y ago
  That isn't a Chromecast stream. It is an open standard called DIAL (http://www.dial-multiscreen.org/ http://www.dial-multiscreen.org/) Specifically, only Tab casting/full screen casting works to Chromecast. Go ahead and cast your tab/screen to your Samsung TV. I'll wait.
  - lsaferite 13y ago
    Just as a gee whiz, DIAL is also what is used to send video from the NetFlix phone app to the NetFlix PS3 app.
eclipxe 13y ago
Correct, thanks.

Kudos 13y ago

> You can fullscreen cast. Since when? Source?

UnoriginalGuy 13y ago
Basically since the Chromecast was released. The Chromecast came out on July 24, 2013, and several dozen articles note the feature before the end of July (26-28th). Just click the little down arrow on the Chromecast button (part of the Chromecast extension) then "Cast entire screen (experimental)." July 26th, 2013: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/26/tip-chromecast-can-cast-your-entire-desktop-screen-too-not-just-tabs/ http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/26/tip-chromecast-can-cast... July 26th, 2013: http://www.androidauthority.com/chromecast-share-entire-desktop-screen-how-to-249436/ http://www.androidauthority.com/chromecast-share-entire-desk... July 27th, 2013: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380302 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380302 July 26th, 2013: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1j3sd1/chromecast_can_cast_your_entire_desktop_screen/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1j3sd1/chromecast_c...
- Kudos 13y ago
  Oh my god, I can't believe I missed that...
- officialjunk 13y ago
  Does this mean I can stream any app and my desktop or just a full screen chrome window?
  - pawelkomarnicki 13y ago
    Unfortunately (at least for me) it seems like it doesn't work via LAN, but somehow uses Internet connection to stream to somewhere and then back, kinda sucks and slow
    - dmdavis 13y ago
      Full screen streaming works beautifully for me, it's how my wife and I watch Amazon Prime movies. It's just like watching TV. I've read that the computer needs to encode the video it's streaming to the chromecast, so if your computer is slow, the streaming will be slow. That may be why you were getting poor results.

eclipxe 13y ago

>People said exactly the same thing about Miracast in 2013 and 2012. We still aren't anywhere with it. It is more broken than it is working, it is a giant mess. I'm glad your time-machine is working and you've experienced the 2015 ecosystem. >You're strangely contradicting yourself. First you acknowledge that tab casting is a thing,then you pretend that tab casting isn't something it does and use that as justification for Miracast's superiority? Very confusing. I'm not pretending tab casting isn't a thing. What I mean by "sink" is a device that receives the stream. Chromecast can do this because it controls both ends, the software you install on Chrome and the Chromecast device (the sink). Your surface area for testing and coverage is much smaller, vs a standard that is in hundreds of devices. Even then the feature is still not on mobile devices officially and is experimental. >PS - Chromecast works with other devices. It isn't just desktops. People already made apps that could send a full Android "desktop" to the Chromecast back in the early days before Google killed it with an update. I'm sure it will return with the release of this SDK. Yes, I've used Koush's Allcast app and it is nice. I'm not saying it won't happen (Android to Chromecast) - it will. But still you aren't getting what I'm saying here - there is only one target device you have to build for (Chromecast) not hundreds of TVs, BluRay players, and dongles. >It is an identical surface area between the two. I mean test and interop surface area. It is surely not identical. Your test matrix for Chromecast is n. For Miracast it is n^2. That is the real problem. Not your straw man about "DRM"

saltysugar 13y ago
> here is only one target device you have to build for (Chromecast) not hundreds of TVs, BluRay players, and dongles. Just chiming in, Google actually has plan to work with TV makers to integrate Chromecast technology into future smart TVs, and hopefully other peripheral devices too.