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Something like https://www.mapbox.com https://www.mapbox.com may help

latch 13y ago
Sure, I didn't know about that until someone else pointed it out to me just now. I agree it's a beautiful rendering. It's paid though. That point aside, Sneak said what I meant to. If the goal is to have 7 billion people using OSM, this needs to be out of the box / default. Usability can't be an afterthought or something that's left up to the developer (if the goal is that sort of penetration)
- davexunit 13y ago
  You still don't seem to understand. There's nothing that comes "out of the box". The OSM project provides the data, that's it. Use the map provider that you like best to visualize that data.
- ris 13y ago
  Thanks for this piece of insight. Nobody in OSM's community of many thousands had ever brought it up before. The reality is that if OSM is to scale to 7 billion users it itself can _not_ be the provider of all the tiles. The amount of infrastructure that this would require would be prohibitive for a nonprofit. Rendering & serving map tiles isn't like serving wikipedia pages.
- Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
  n people using OSM the dataset, _not_ n people using osm.org.
- chippy 13y ago
  use != going to the website
- rmc 13y ago
  Yes it's paid, because it's storing and rendering images that are updated by the minute in a very fast time. That sort of compution, and calculation isn't cheap. As you can see the compressed file format is about 25GB.
- crucialfelix 13y ago
  you can use TileMill to render the tiles and then host them yourself. its the hosting and the render farm that you can pay MapBox for, but there are ways around it if you are small and prepared to do work. I agree the default OSM map is a bit ... pink. and yellow. and then blue. but at least it isn't Simpsons Yellow like default google. but see the link I posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7174856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7174856 for more free examples
crucialfelix 13y ago
this interface lets you switch between many free tile providers: http://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/ http://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/

latch 13y ago

Sure, I didn't know about that until someone else pointed it out to me just now. I agree it's a beautiful rendering. It's paid though. That point aside, Sneak said what I meant to. If the goal is to have 7 billion people using OSM, this needs to be out of the box / default. Usability can't be an afterthought or something that's left up to the developer (if the goal is that sort of penetration)

davexunit 13y ago
You still don't seem to understand. There's nothing that comes "out of the box". The OSM project provides the data, that's it. Use the map provider that you like best to visualize that data.
ris 13y ago
Thanks for this piece of insight. Nobody in OSM's community of many thousands had ever brought it up before. The reality is that if OSM is to scale to 7 billion users it itself can _not_ be the provider of all the tiles. The amount of infrastructure that this would require would be prohibitive for a nonprofit. Rendering & serving map tiles isn't like serving wikipedia pages.
Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
n people using OSM the dataset, _not_ n people using osm.org.
chippy 13y ago
use != going to the website
rmc 13y ago
Yes it's paid, because it's storing and rendering images that are updated by the minute in a very fast time. That sort of compution, and calculation isn't cheap. As you can see the compressed file format is about 25GB.
crucialfelix 13y ago
you can use TileMill to render the tiles and then host them yourself. its the hosting and the render farm that you can pay MapBox for, but there are ways around it if you are small and prepared to do work. I agree the default OSM map is a bit ... pink. and yellow. and then blue. but at least it isn't Simpsons Yellow like default google. but see the link I posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7174856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7174856 for more free examples

crucialfelix 13y ago

this interface lets you switch between many free tile providers: http://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/ http://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/