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... and now we have fez: https://github.com/fez/fez https://github.com/fez/fez https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7090479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i

by sheetjs 13y ago

... and now we have fez: https://github.com/fez/fez https://github.com/fez/fez https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7090479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7090479

joemaller1 13y ago
Well (taking cues from the article) it has been a couple of weeks. This is the first I've heard of Gulp though. Looks promising.
tomByrer 13y ago
There is an entire range of build tools. some devs still use `make`, bash &/or hand-written node scripts. Once you have them set up, & keep same folder & msc patterns, they can all be satisfactory. The advantage of Grunt is that it has a huge ecosystem. But Gulp has many of Grunt's heavy-hitters building plug-ins for it. So you can look at Gulp as front-end-build-tools v3.0 (Addy & Paul Irish were pushing Ant before Grunt).
STRML 13y ago
To be honest, I wish people would stop mentioning this project until it actually usable for real projects. I have attempted to build a sass task for Fez and failed when I realized that the core project simply does not have the ability to be configured to do very simple things. In the case of the sass plugin, Fez does not support globs, making it difficult/hacky to properly ignore files prefixed with "_", a well-known sass convention. I agree that Grunt syntax is not fantastic. It has improved since 0.4 but the reality is that the average "long" Grunt build has a whole ton of customization thrown into the mix that is simply not possible with newer tools such as Gulp or Fez. Additionally I really don't think that the comparisons are fair. Yes, it's nice to declare a fileset and define transformations on it, rather than defining transformations and declaring which files you want to use with each one. But I could easily show you an easy-to-read Grunt configuration that is just as simple as the ones you see in Fez or Gulp marketing. I applaud what these tools are attempting to do, but we need to keep the comparisons fair.
- spion 13y ago
  Indeed, fez is not quite completely ready yet - its still in the development / experimental stage.

by sheetjs 13y ago

... and now we have fez: https://github.com/fez/fez https://github.com/fez/fez https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7090479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7090479

joemaller1 13y ago

Well (taking cues from the article) it has been a couple of weeks. This is the first I've heard of Gulp though. Looks promising.

tomByrer 13y ago

There is an entire range of build tools. some devs still use `make`, bash &/or hand-written node scripts. Once you have them set up, & keep same folder & msc patterns, they can all be satisfactory. The advantage of Grunt is that it has a huge ecosystem. But Gulp has many of Grunt's heavy-hitters building plug-ins for it. So you can look at Gulp as front-end-build-tools v3.0 (Addy & Paul Irish were pushing Ant before Grunt).

STRML 13y ago

To be honest, I wish people would stop mentioning this project until it actually usable for real projects. I have attempted to build a sass task for Fez and failed when I realized that the core project simply does not have the ability to be configured to do very simple things. In the case of the sass plugin, Fez does not support globs, making it difficult/hacky to properly ignore files prefixed with "_", a well-known sass convention. I agree that Grunt syntax is not fantastic. It has improved since 0.4 but the reality is that the average "long" Grunt build has a whole ton of customization thrown into the mix that is simply not possible with newer tools such as Gulp or Fez. Additionally I really don't think that the comparisons are fair. Yes, it's nice to declare a fileset and define transformations on it, rather than defining transformations and declaring which files you want to use with each one. But I could easily show you an easy-to-read Grunt configuration that is just as simple as the ones you see in Fez or Gulp marketing. I applaud what these tools are attempting to do, but we need to keep the comparisons fair.

spion 13y ago
Indeed, fez is not quite completely ready yet - its still in the development / experimental stage.