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States are perfectly within their legal right to declare war on organizations. If the US were to declare war on FARC or Los Zetas, then yes the US government co

States are perfectly within their legal right to declare war on organizations. If the US were to declare war on FARC or Los Zetas, then yes the US government could detain prisoners until the end of hostilities. (Note that that's not the same as indefinitely) Whether or not this guy was actually fighting with Taliban or Al Qaida is an important issue, but not really at the heart of the broader issue regarding Guantanamo detainees.

rhizome 13y ago
but not really at the heart of the broader issue regarding Guantanamo detainees. Then don't invoke it.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  Tell that to the person who invoked it!
  - rhizome 13y ago
    Did he edit his comment or something? I'm not seeing the reference.
    - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
      According to him, this guy went to Afganistan for a cheap medical procedure and bounty hunters handed him in as a foreign combatant. None of us knows whether this is true or not, but the issue is that suspending judicial procedure is going to lead to horrific injustice - even if you're at war.
      - rhizome 13y ago
        That's a pretty glancing reference. Would it have been better to say that suspending judicial procedure as evidenced by the experience of Adnan Latif constituted a horrific injustice?
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PavlovsCat 13y ago
Something can very well be legal and still be a horrific injustice. And to detain someone because you're supposedly at war with them and they with you, without any trial to actually prove that this is the case, is horribly injust no matter how I look at it. If this is legal, then that just makes the laws that make it legal and the people that obey them horribly injust.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  Each detainee supposedly had a tribunal to establish that their detainment was legitimate and to determine their detainee status. If anyone is being held without cause, or if the tribunals were insufficiently thorough, then yes it would be a horrible injustice!

rhizome 13y ago

but not really at the heart of the broader issue regarding Guantanamo detainees. Then don't invoke it.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
Tell that to the person who invoked it!
- rhizome 13y ago
  Did he edit his comment or something? I'm not seeing the reference.
  - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
    According to him, this guy went to Afganistan for a cheap medical procedure and bounty hunters handed him in as a foreign combatant. None of us knows whether this is true or not, but the issue is that suspending judicial procedure is going to lead to horrific injustice - even if you're at war.
    - rhizome 13y ago
      That's a pretty glancing reference. Would it have been better to say that suspending judicial procedure as evidenced by the experience of Adnan Latif constituted a horrific injustice?
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PavlovsCat 13y ago

Something can very well be legal and still be a horrific injustice. And to detain someone because you're supposedly at war with them and they with you, without any trial to actually prove that this is the case, is horribly injust no matter how I look at it. If this is legal, then that just makes the laws that make it legal and the people that obey them horribly injust.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
Each detainee supposedly had a tribunal to establish that their detainment was legitimate and to determine their detainee status. If anyone is being held without cause, or if the tribunals were insufficiently thorough, then yes it would be a horrible injustice!