This didn't get upvotes because it's "hateful shit", but because it focuses on facts and statistics (which happen to be pretty hard to argue with in this case),

This didn't get upvotes because it's "hateful shit", but because it focuses on facts and statistics (which happen to be pretty hard to argue with in this case), and the population that is HNers like facts and statistics, especially when it helps provide clarity to a controversial topic. I don't know about anyone else, but I upvoted this because those two tables were valuable information which I did not know previously. I didn't upvote it based on the prose around the tables. Can you instead find a factual/statistical counter argument instead of discounting the entire article because you disagree with the conclusions? Or at the very least, provide a different constructive conclusion based on the facts/statistics presented if you happen to disagree with theirs. This probably also got upvotes because it promotes "less wrong" and it's an articles correcting someone who was flat out wrong, that someone one is POTUS and the flat out wrong statement was made during POTUS' most important speech of the year, the state of the union address. Duty calls. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://xkcd.com/386/