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This has been happening for over 2 years now. I've met multiple people in real life (including total non-techies) that have run into this. It's more common tha

This has been happening for over 2 years now. I've met multiple people in real life (including total non-techies) that have run into this. It's more common than you'd think. Basically anyone moving from an iPhone to Android (or any other phone I assume) will have this problem. At this point, it's obvious Apple is ok with this. It's a giant "fuck you" to anyone moving away from them and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth knowing they do this purposely.

eridius 13y ago
That's incredibly presumptuous of you to claim Apple is doing this purposely. It seems pretty obvious to me that it's a non-trivial fix for Apple, and that there's simply no good incentive for them to prioritize fixing this over the myriad other things their engineers could be spending their time on.
- piyush_soni 13y ago
  Isn't the first part of your comment kind of contradictory to the second part?
- fpgeek 13y ago
  > there's simply no good incentive for them to prioritize fixing this There's plenty of incentive for them to fix this. OP is far from the only one calling Apple customer support or going to a Genius bar over this issue. Those costs add up, unless they're also considering the incentives on the other side of the ledger.
- mikeash 13y ago
  Fixing it is the right thing to do. They're seriously screwing with people's communications otherwise. If you're saying that they're avoiding the right thing because it's too hard and there's no incentive, then to me that is essentially saying that they are doing it on purpose.
- pistle 13y ago
  Based on the "2 years" anecdote above, maybe it's something they could have got around to while completely revamping iOS. There are about few primary moving parts and OP indicates it's a known issue that can be resolved on clients. Too bad Apple has no control over that client OS, right? It's not a big problem to deal with. There is no motivation to fix it. It's not that Apple is doing anything purposefully. It's that they aren't, and won't, do anything to help since they know that OP (and that ilk) are not their customers. If OP didn't want to "lose" all his friends/network, he would have just got a 5s and shut up.
- saltysugar 13y ago
  Apparently it doesn't have much priority on their list considering the problem has been around for two years. If you think about how fast the mobile landscape has changed, this is no excuse for Apple
  - eridius 13y ago
    2 years? 2 years is nothing. There are thousands upon thousands of open bug repots on Apple products older than 2 years.
    - saltysugar 13y ago
      Bugs are often sorted according to priority. It's clear that Apple doesn't care enough to prioritize this problem.
- jheriko 13y ago
  this would be straightforward to fix in a patch. they are clearly not prioritising it if its a known issue for several years now...
- josteink 13y ago
  That's incredibly presumptuous of you to claim Apple is doing this purposely. It seems pretty obvious to me that it's a non-trivial fix for Apple, Obviously it's a non-trivial fix when they engineered their system on the assumption that nobody should ever leave the iPlatform. It might be a "stretch", but you could say designing your system in such a way that there's no clean way to leave is intentionally making it hard to leave. Or would that make you a lunatic? Seriously though. Almost every ex-iPhone user I meet thinks SMS is broken on Android, because other iPhone-users (like wifes) no longer is able to message them. And I'm pretty sure Apple is 100% OK with that.

eridius 13y ago

That's incredibly presumptuous of you to claim Apple is doing this purposely. It seems pretty obvious to me that it's a non-trivial fix for Apple, and that there's simply no good incentive for them to prioritize fixing this over the myriad other things their engineers could be spending their time on.

piyush_soni 13y ago
Isn't the first part of your comment kind of contradictory to the second part?
fpgeek 13y ago
> there's simply no good incentive for them to prioritize fixing this There's plenty of incentive for them to fix this. OP is far from the only one calling Apple customer support or going to a Genius bar over this issue. Those costs add up, unless they're also considering the incentives on the other side of the ledger.
mikeash 13y ago
Fixing it is the right thing to do. They're seriously screwing with people's communications otherwise. If you're saying that they're avoiding the right thing because it's too hard and there's no incentive, then to me that is essentially saying that they are doing it on purpose.
pistle 13y ago
Based on the "2 years" anecdote above, maybe it's something they could have got around to while completely revamping iOS. There are about few primary moving parts and OP indicates it's a known issue that can be resolved on clients. Too bad Apple has no control over that client OS, right? It's not a big problem to deal with. There is no motivation to fix it. It's not that Apple is doing anything purposefully. It's that they aren't, and won't, do anything to help since they know that OP (and that ilk) are not their customers. If OP didn't want to "lose" all his friends/network, he would have just got a 5s and shut up.
saltysugar 13y ago
Apparently it doesn't have much priority on their list considering the problem has been around for two years. If you think about how fast the mobile landscape has changed, this is no excuse for Apple
- eridius 13y ago
  2 years? 2 years is nothing. There are thousands upon thousands of open bug repots on Apple products older than 2 years.
  - saltysugar 13y ago
    Bugs are often sorted according to priority. It's clear that Apple doesn't care enough to prioritize this problem.
jheriko 13y ago
this would be straightforward to fix in a patch. they are clearly not prioritising it if its a known issue for several years now...
josteink 13y ago
That's incredibly presumptuous of you to claim Apple is doing this purposely. It seems pretty obvious to me that it's a non-trivial fix for Apple, Obviously it's a non-trivial fix when they engineered their system on the assumption that nobody should ever leave the iPlatform. It might be a "stretch", but you could say designing your system in such a way that there's no clean way to leave is intentionally making it hard to leave. Or would that make you a lunatic? Seriously though. Almost every ex-iPhone user I meet thinks SMS is broken on Android, because other iPhone-users (like wifes) no longer is able to message them. And I'm pretty sure Apple is 100% OK with that.