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"Worth noting that the UK's nuclear deterrent is based in Scotland, not England." As a "Yes" voter I'm hoping we'll be able to send them back to England, prefe

"Worth noting that the UK's nuclear deterrent is based in Scotland, not England." As a "Yes" voter I'm hoping we'll be able to send them back to England, preferably somewhere on the south coast.

walshemj 13y ago
I doubt the voters in the constituency's in the areas hosting the bases will be very happy at losing a very well paid jobs And I am sure that some of the depressed areas of southern England woudl welcome these jobs with open arms - theres already suspicion that English dock workers where made redundant to protect Scottish jobs.
- arethuza 13y ago
  The people of Argyll and Bute (the Scottish Parliament constituency containing the Coulport and Faslane bases) have voted for the SNP in recent Scottish Parliament elections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_and_Bute_%28Scottish_Parliament_constituency%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_and_Bute_%28Scottish_Par... The MOD itself says that a total of only 520 civilian jobs would be lost if Trident was moved - and only 310 of those are definitely locals: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour-and-tories-under-fire-for-inflating-trident-job-losses.19262922 http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour... And finally, don't you think some things are more important than money and jobs? I really liked Charlie Stross's account of how he changed his views on an "independent" nuclear deterrent: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/04/on-the-uk-and-nuclear-disarmam.html http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/04/on-the-u... Personally, I changed my mind from being a reluctant supporter for the need for nuclear weapons while wandering round, of all places, Auschwitz-Birkenau, our guide made a comment about how although Auschwitz-Birkenau remains the very worst that we have achieved as as species a lot of countries, including the UK, calmly contemplate the use of weapons that would have far worse results. From that day I have felt very strongly about trying to remove nuclear weapons from my country and independence seems the most viable route to achieving that goal.
twic 13y ago
My understanding is that nuclear submarine bases need to be close to very deep water. Faslane is great from that point of view. A look at a hydrographic map of the UK suggests the only options south of the border are Barrow-in-Furness and the Isle of Man. The Vanguard-class missile submarines in question were actually built in Barrow, so there's a good chance the locals would be happy enough to see them come home.

"Worth noting that the UK's nuclear deterrent is based in Scotland, not England." As a "Yes" voter I'm hoping we'll be able to send them back to England, preferably somewhere on the south coast.

walshemj 13y ago

I doubt the voters in the constituency's in the areas hosting the bases will be very happy at losing a very well paid jobs And I am sure that some of the depressed areas of southern England woudl welcome these jobs with open arms - theres already suspicion that English dock workers where made redundant to protect Scottish jobs.

arethuza 13y ago
The people of Argyll and Bute (the Scottish Parliament constituency containing the Coulport and Faslane bases) have voted for the SNP in recent Scottish Parliament elections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_and_Bute_%28Scottish_Parliament_constituency%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_and_Bute_%28Scottish_Par... The MOD itself says that a total of only 520 civilian jobs would be lost if Trident was moved - and only 310 of those are definitely locals: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour-and-tories-under-fire-for-inflating-trident-job-losses.19262922 http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour... And finally, don't you think some things are more important than money and jobs? I really liked Charlie Stross's account of how he changed his views on an "independent" nuclear deterrent: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/04/on-the-uk-and-nuclear-disarmam.html http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/04/on-the-u... Personally, I changed my mind from being a reluctant supporter for the need for nuclear weapons while wandering round, of all places, Auschwitz-Birkenau, our guide made a comment about how although Auschwitz-Birkenau remains the very worst that we have achieved as as species a lot of countries, including the UK, calmly contemplate the use of weapons that would have far worse results. From that day I have felt very strongly about trying to remove nuclear weapons from my country and independence seems the most viable route to achieving that goal.

twic 13y ago

My understanding is that nuclear submarine bases need to be close to very deep water. Faslane is great from that point of view. A look at a hydrographic map of the UK suggests the only options south of the border are Barrow-in-Furness and the Isle of Man. The Vanguard-class missile submarines in question were actually built in Barrow, so there's a good chance the locals would be happy enough to see them come home.