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Try searching CNN for "Snowden Interview" and there is NO mention of it. Same with MSNBC's search - nothing about this interview in the results. Also, scroll d

by spenvo 13y ago

Try searching CNN for "Snowden Interview" and there is NO mention of it. Same with MSNBC's search - nothing about this interview in the results. Also, scroll down to user "Nostromo's" counter (claiming the media did cover the story) w/links and then my reply. This kind of blatant dereliction of duty in US journalism (IMHO) presages the governments' plans for controlling the (M)essage on websites. One can only assume they have a turnkey solution to suppress submissions and comments on HN, Reddit, etc. Support projects that attempt to combat censorship at the technological level. This is coming from someone who is working on my own* anti-censorship project. (I care more about the mission than the glory.) retroshare.sourceforge.net promises a great deal and looks OK from a mile-high view (except for mythical documentation). *check profile if interested

zeeed 13y ago
the full interview is here: https://archive.org/details/snowden_interview_en https://archive.org/details/snowden_interview_en
- coldtea 13y ago
  Any reason why it's not in YouTube? Copyright takedowns don't usually work that fast, if ever. Also any reason why it wasn't bought and uploaded to other major american media outlets? If it was an "acceptable" political story, it would be all over, not merely on archive.org.
  - nisdec 13y ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x38jkFlPeg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x38jkFlPeg
    - tareqak 13y ago
      I get not available in your country (Canada).
    - coldtea 13y ago
      No available in my country.
    - dawkins 13y ago
      Not available in my country (Spain)
  - Buge 13y ago
    Youtube can detect copied videos automatically. Also I had a video that was copied several times and wasn't automatically detected (that's only for high level partners). When I reported the copies for copyright they would generally be taken down in about a half hour.
DanBC 13y ago
MSNBC were interviewing a US politician (congress woman) about the Snowden leaks and about NSA reform. They interrupted that interview for some important breaking news. Justin Bieber had been arrested for drag racing his car. http://youtu.be/GH68bSJXGE8 http://youtu.be/GH68bSJXGE8
- spenvo 13y ago
  What makes it more despicable: MSNBC is aggressively marketed in the image of progressive reform television. To be clear - the US politician wasn't talking about the interview -- but rather the independent review committee's assessment of the meta data collection program.
- ck2 13y ago
  MSNBC has had some good Snowden coverage over the longer weekend shows which are higher quality. Their hourly shows each day are getting to be more and more garbage. Chris Hayes had a fantastic long-form weekend show on MSNBC. Then they moved him to the hour format on a daily basis and his show went to garbage too as they have him pushing whatever the hype of the day is. And Rachel Maddow now has maybe one good show a month and the rest are just petty garbage ("oh look someone said a word wrong or misspelled something - let's talk about that for ten minutes") What's crazy is most of their anchors are really smart and knowledgeable when you see them work freeform like in an interview. But start scripting them and giving them "must reads" and they all turn into blathering corporate idiots.
  - smithzvk 13y ago
    Yes, when Chris Hayes hosted "Up" it was a must watch each weekend for me. I watched about two episodes of his nightly show and couldn't stand it. Maybe we should try watching the new guy who took it over? I guess it isn't about the competency of the host/crew but rather the fact that pushing out a show every night means that you must degrade the quality of your analysis, guests, and general information that you are reporting on.
- chaz 13y ago
  MSNBC is following the money, just like everyone else in US media. A 30-minute Bieber special on CNN had their best 25-54 ratings for the day: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/friday-cable-ratings-justin-bieber-special-1-on-cnn-in-demo-and-total/ http://www.mediaite.com/tv/friday-cable-ratings-justin-biebe... Also, it's worth noting how much more popular FOX News is.
pavanky 13y ago
Before you go witch hunting go read this. http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1wddfp/us_media_blacks_out_snowden_interview_exposing/cf1801o http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1wddfp/us_media_bl...
- mbateman 13y ago
  This should really be the top comment. For anyone that thinks there is actually a problem here, what could the motivation or mechanism behind this "blackout" possibly be? Significant parts of the US media have been reporting pretty well on Snowden for a long time now.
  - atlantic 13y ago
    The media discussion so far has centered around personal issues. Is Snowden a traitor, did he give secrets away to China/Russia, should he be assassinated, how is his girlfriend feeling, what did his father say, does he have a new job, etc. This interview puts the focus back where it should be: have intelligence agencies broken the law, have they taken justice into their own hands, have they been deceiving the executive branch, what balance should be struck between security and privacy, and so on. It also puts a human face on this man, who has never been given a chance to explain his motives.
    - srl 13y ago
      No, this simply isn't true. Watch the front page of any daily newspaper - a large percentage of the articles are about new revelations or stories on the politics of a reform bill, and I have not seen a single one (in the last 4 months or so, when my memory is fresh) talking about Snowden personally.
  - fredgrott 13y ago
    ACCESS.. Journalists depend upon access to government officials to report news on government actions.. No Access to those officials virtually decimates both the Media firm income and the journalists income
icantthinkofone 13y ago
I worked in the media for umpteen years in the past. Anyone who thinks the US press colluded with the government to black out anything is flat out crazy.
- Joeri 13y ago
  They don't have to be in cahoots to black it out. The truth is far simpler: the advertisers and the majority of the staff don't like pro-snowden stories.
  - gamblor956 13y ago
    That's quite a stretch to say that the advertisers and majority of the staff at every news station in the country don't like pro-Snowden stories. The truth is far simpler: the German interviewer wants more money for foreign rights to the interview than U.S. stations are willing to pay.
  - icantthinkofone 13y ago
    As shown in the comments here, this "blackout" is false and has been reported. btw, what is your source for "the majority of the staff don't like pro-snowden stories."?
- thisiswrong 13y ago
  Sure you did. Keep on telling that to yourself buddy. Meanwhile we'll stick to reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
  - icantthinkofone 13y ago
    That worked out well for them didn't it? Ever hear of Watergate? And, in this day and age, when media scours the 'net for stories to tell, you honestly think not one news organization anywhere picked up on the video? Everyone ignored it? (As already shown, this story about a coverup is false.) And you think I'm the one that doesn't know what he's talking about?
gamblor956 13y ago
Blatantly false. A 5 second search turned up the following: CNN covered the story here: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/russia-snowden/ http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/russia-snowden/. ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/german-tv-snowden-nsa-spies-industry-22067496 http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/german-tv-snowden... CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snowden-nsa-conducts-industrial-espionage-too/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snowden-nsa-conducts-industrial-... Fox News (AP): http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/26/german-tv-snowden-says-nsa-also-practices-industrial-espionage/ http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/26/german-tv-snowden-sa.... And see this link (German) for the explanation as to why this interview was not available in most non-German countries (including the UK) due to copyright licensing demands by the German interviewer: http://m.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/edward-snowden-und-die-ard-ein-interview-geht-um-die-welt-oder-nicht-12771773.html http://m.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/edward-snowden-un....
- foobarqux 13y ago
  Clips would be fair use and it's hard to imagine that the cost is prohibitive for major US outlets. That said I don't the interview in its entirety conforms with the style of content shown on US networks.
  - ZenPro 13y ago
    Well since you decided the cost is not possibly prohibitive a media outlet should definitely cover it...
    - foobarqux 13y ago
      That's not what I said. I said cost is not likely the reason it is not covered.

by spenvo 13y ago

zeeed 13y ago

the full interview is here: https://archive.org/details/snowden_interview_en https://archive.org/details/snowden_interview_en

coldtea 13y ago
Any reason why it's not in YouTube? Copyright takedowns don't usually work that fast, if ever. Also any reason why it wasn't bought and uploaded to other major american media outlets? If it was an "acceptable" political story, it would be all over, not merely on archive.org.
- nisdec 13y ago
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x38jkFlPeg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x38jkFlPeg
  - tareqak 13y ago
    I get not available in your country (Canada).
  - coldtea 13y ago
    No available in my country.
  - dawkins 13y ago
    Not available in my country (Spain)
- Buge 13y ago
  Youtube can detect copied videos automatically. Also I had a video that was copied several times and wasn't automatically detected (that's only for high level partners). When I reported the copies for copyright they would generally be taken down in about a half hour.

DanBC 13y ago

MSNBC were interviewing a US politician (congress woman) about the Snowden leaks and about NSA reform. They interrupted that interview for some important breaking news. Justin Bieber had been arrested for drag racing his car. http://youtu.be/GH68bSJXGE8 http://youtu.be/GH68bSJXGE8

spenvo 13y ago
What makes it more despicable: MSNBC is aggressively marketed in the image of progressive reform television. To be clear - the US politician wasn't talking about the interview -- but rather the independent review committee's assessment of the meta data collection program.
ck2 13y ago
MSNBC has had some good Snowden coverage over the longer weekend shows which are higher quality. Their hourly shows each day are getting to be more and more garbage. Chris Hayes had a fantastic long-form weekend show on MSNBC. Then they moved him to the hour format on a daily basis and his show went to garbage too as they have him pushing whatever the hype of the day is. And Rachel Maddow now has maybe one good show a month and the rest are just petty garbage ("oh look someone said a word wrong or misspelled something - let's talk about that for ten minutes") What's crazy is most of their anchors are really smart and knowledgeable when you see them work freeform like in an interview. But start scripting them and giving them "must reads" and they all turn into blathering corporate idiots.
- smithzvk 13y ago
  Yes, when Chris Hayes hosted "Up" it was a must watch each weekend for me. I watched about two episodes of his nightly show and couldn't stand it. Maybe we should try watching the new guy who took it over? I guess it isn't about the competency of the host/crew but rather the fact that pushing out a show every night means that you must degrade the quality of your analysis, guests, and general information that you are reporting on.
chaz 13y ago
MSNBC is following the money, just like everyone else in US media. A 30-minute Bieber special on CNN had their best 25-54 ratings for the day: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/friday-cable-ratings-justin-bieber-special-1-on-cnn-in-demo-and-total/ http://www.mediaite.com/tv/friday-cable-ratings-justin-biebe... Also, it's worth noting how much more popular FOX News is.

pavanky 13y ago

Before you go witch hunting go read this. http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1wddfp/us_media_blacks_out_snowden_interview_exposing/cf1801o http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1wddfp/us_media_bl...

mbateman 13y ago
This should really be the top comment. For anyone that thinks there is actually a problem here, what could the motivation or mechanism behind this "blackout" possibly be? Significant parts of the US media have been reporting pretty well on Snowden for a long time now.
- atlantic 13y ago
  The media discussion so far has centered around personal issues. Is Snowden a traitor, did he give secrets away to China/Russia, should he be assassinated, how is his girlfriend feeling, what did his father say, does he have a new job, etc. This interview puts the focus back where it should be: have intelligence agencies broken the law, have they taken justice into their own hands, have they been deceiving the executive branch, what balance should be struck between security and privacy, and so on. It also puts a human face on this man, who has never been given a chance to explain his motives.
  - srl 13y ago
    No, this simply isn't true. Watch the front page of any daily newspaper - a large percentage of the articles are about new revelations or stories on the politics of a reform bill, and I have not seen a single one (in the last 4 months or so, when my memory is fresh) talking about Snowden personally.
- fredgrott 13y ago
  ACCESS.. Journalists depend upon access to government officials to report news on government actions.. No Access to those officials virtually decimates both the Media firm income and the journalists income

icantthinkofone 13y ago

I worked in the media for umpteen years in the past. Anyone who thinks the US press colluded with the government to black out anything is flat out crazy.

Joeri 13y ago
They don't have to be in cahoots to black it out. The truth is far simpler: the advertisers and the majority of the staff don't like pro-snowden stories.
- gamblor956 13y ago
  That's quite a stretch to say that the advertisers and majority of the staff at every news station in the country don't like pro-Snowden stories. The truth is far simpler: the German interviewer wants more money for foreign rights to the interview than U.S. stations are willing to pay.
- icantthinkofone 13y ago
  As shown in the comments here, this "blackout" is false and has been reported. btw, what is your source for "the majority of the staff don't like pro-snowden stories."?
thisiswrong 13y ago
Sure you did. Keep on telling that to yourself buddy. Meanwhile we'll stick to reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
- icantthinkofone 13y ago
  That worked out well for them didn't it? Ever hear of Watergate? And, in this day and age, when media scours the 'net for stories to tell, you honestly think not one news organization anywhere picked up on the video? Everyone ignored it? (As already shown, this story about a coverup is false.) And you think I'm the one that doesn't know what he's talking about?

gamblor956 13y ago

Blatantly false. A 5 second search turned up the following: CNN covered the story here: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/russia-snowden/ http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/russia-snowden/. ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/german-tv-snowden-nsa-spies-industry-22067496 http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/german-tv-snowden... CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snowden-nsa-conducts-industrial-espionage-too/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snowden-nsa-conducts-industrial-... Fox News (AP): http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/26/german-tv-snowden-says-nsa-also-practices-industrial-espionage/ http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/26/german-tv-snowden-sa.... And see this link (German) for the explanation as to why this interview was not available in most non-German countries (including the UK) due to copyright licensing demands by the German interviewer: http://m.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/edward-snowden-und-die-ard-ein-interview-geht-um-die-welt-oder-nicht-12771773.html http://m.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/edward-snowden-un....

foobarqux 13y ago
Clips would be fair use and it's hard to imagine that the cost is prohibitive for major US outlets. That said I don't the interview in its entirety conforms with the style of content shown on US networks.
- ZenPro 13y ago
  Well since you decided the cost is not possibly prohibitive a media outlet should definitely cover it...
  - foobarqux 13y ago
    That's not what I said. I said cost is not likely the reason it is not covered.