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It's probably telling that his code sample is PHP Excuse me, but last time I checked PHP was one of the most widely deployed languages in the world, which a lo

by mixmax 17y ago

It's probably telling that his code sample is PHP Excuse me, but last time I checked PHP was one of the most widely deployed languages in the world, which a lot of people smarter than you and I spend their working time hacking. Can we please stop the PHP bashing.

bkudria 17y ago
(Disclaimer: I work in PHP) PHP is popular. But the language sucks. Big-time. Popularity does not mean something is automatically good, in a technical sense.
- mixmax 17y ago
  Absolutely agree, and judging by the score of my parent comment maybe I didn't make myself clear. I don't mean to say that PHP is a perfect language by any means, far from it. My point was more that just because some code example is written in PHP you can't automatically infer that the code is inferior. I personally think that's terribly arrogant, but that may just be me.
  - moe 17y ago
    My point was more that just because some code example is written in PHP you can't automatically infer that the code is inferior. Perhaps I'm terribly arrogant but I do make that inference. Simply because the number of good coders who would pick PHP when given a choice is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very small. And shrinking.
    - mixmax 17y ago
      Most coders don't have the choice. I'm sure that if it was up to the programmers many big sites would be hacked out in Haskell, but as it is an awful lot of them happen to be done in PHP. And Coders have jobs and bosses.
      - moe 17y ago
        On their personal blog?
philwelch 17y ago
So was (is?) COBOL.
jasonkester 17y ago
I didn't intend any PHP bashing. I was just pointing out that PHP is quite a way behind in the IDE department. Apart from some half-hearted Eclipse plugins like PDT, nobody has stepped up to the plate. Certainly not in the way that Netbrains did for Java or MS did for .NET. I've done my share of PHP development over the years, and have clients to this day that need their PHP sites maintained. And every time I need to touch those sites, I wish I had a tool powerful as, say, ColdFusion Studio 4.5, which came out in 2001. If you can point out such a development environment for PHP, I'd be quite grateful.

by mixmax 17y ago

bkudria 17y ago

(Disclaimer: I work in PHP) PHP is popular. But the language sucks. Big-time. Popularity does not mean something is automatically good, in a technical sense.

mixmax 17y ago
Absolutely agree, and judging by the score of my parent comment maybe I didn't make myself clear. I don't mean to say that PHP is a perfect language by any means, far from it. My point was more that just because some code example is written in PHP you can't automatically infer that the code is inferior. I personally think that's terribly arrogant, but that may just be me.
- moe 17y ago
  My point was more that just because some code example is written in PHP you can't automatically infer that the code is inferior. Perhaps I'm terribly arrogant but I do make that inference. Simply because the number of good coders who would pick PHP when given a choice is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very small. And shrinking.
  - mixmax 17y ago
    Most coders don't have the choice. I'm sure that if it was up to the programmers many big sites would be hacked out in Haskell, but as it is an awful lot of them happen to be done in PHP. And Coders have jobs and bosses.
    - moe 17y ago
      On their personal blog?

philwelch 17y ago

So was (is?) COBOL.

jasonkester 17y ago

I didn't intend any PHP bashing. I was just pointing out that PHP is quite a way behind in the IDE department. Apart from some half-hearted Eclipse plugins like PDT, nobody has stepped up to the plate. Certainly not in the way that Netbrains did for Java or MS did for .NET. I've done my share of PHP development over the years, and have clients to this day that need their PHP sites maintained. And every time I need to touch those sites, I wish I had a tool powerful as, say, ColdFusion Studio 4.5, which came out in 2001. If you can point out such a development environment for PHP, I'd be quite grateful.