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r/conspiracy is a joke full of hyperbole. That's a pretty large jump from Snowden's NSA leaks to the government using threats regularly to control people to ful

r/conspiracy is a joke full of hyperbole. That's a pretty large jump from Snowden's NSA leaks to the government using threats regularly to control people to full on civil war with all journalists dead or in jail.

snitko 13y ago
Happened in Ukraine though. Pretty much out of the blue sky. People thought they were rather safe, judging by the experience of the past years and then suddenly this violence. Why? Because when government feels threatened it doesn't care about constitution or anything it ever promised. The question for the government is "what is the most effective way I can deal with this". If violence is more effective and government has more to lose not using it, violence will be used.
- snitko 13y ago
  I should also add the the sad truth about state violence is that it doesn't cost anything to those who order it. Taxpayers, the ones this violence is being used against, are paying for it. Problem is, they usually don't recognize this fact. A more effective way in the extreme case when government orders a crackdown would be to stop paying, not go and protest. You can get in trouble either way, but in the latter case the state wouldn't have any excuse that "you started it".
  - darkmighty 13y ago
    In an apocalyptic crackdown situation it wouldn't really matter to the government whether the government is being paid. They are the sole issuers of money. Sure, this damages the economy, but if they have disregarded public welfare to such a point they may as well do a little economic damage.
    - snitko 13y ago
      This is why people should stop paying before the government grows into a monster.
vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Poisoning the well there. /r/conspiracy, although of generally lackluster quality, does not make this post any less legitimate. The USA has had a history of intimidating select citizens with operations like COINTELPRO and Operation Mockingbird (suppression and influence of journalism and the media). So, it's not really that large of a jump. Even if it is, it's already been made decades ago.
1457389 13y ago
1) the original post was not made on /r/conspiracy, it was crossposted there after the original was inexplicably deleted and the user banned 2) the federal government does use threats to coerce people to snitch on their peers 3) the federal government has in the past and is currently prosecuting journalists in leak investigations, with jailtime being a possible outcome. If you widen the scope you can see that they actively suppress journalists overseas who raise inconvenient facts about US policy.
- jnbiche 13y ago
  Where was it posted originally?
  - 1457389 13y ago
    http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_belie... There. Whole bunch of drama, as you can read about if you enable subredit CSS.
    - username223 13y ago
      So apparently he criticized Israel -- which you can do in Israel, but not in the US. It's not worth the drama to discuss any of that.
      - cema 13y ago
        You certainly can do it in the US. Perhaps something special about the (sub) reddit thread?
        deong 13y ago
        Sure, you can, but it's not politically acceptable by either side of the political spectrum.
    - zokier 13y ago
samstave 13y ago
I find that, while I don't agree with many of the posts on /r/conspiracy, at least they don't censor and delete things that should be disussed widely... And, while I find that there is an ongoing debate on topics llike racism on that /r/ -- they tend to be efforts to distract from the core content. The fact is that there IS, INDEED, an effort to maintain control over the people who have-not, by those who have. As such it is critical to continue to talk about these topics... There is a lot of corrupt BS happening. /r/conspiracy would need not exist if people weren't being deluded about the fact that a small portion of the global population is exploiting a great percentage of the global population.
- supergauntlet 13y ago
  Yes, they do. The moderators of /r/conspiracy are notorious for banning people that question the conspiracies, no matter how out there. Oh, and /u/flytape, a mod of the subreddit, is a holocaust denier.
  - oijaf888 13y ago
    How are those relevant to the seemingly good quality post in the link? Do they have the ability to edit posts to change the intention of the poster?
    - supergauntlet 13y ago
      The guy I responded to said /r/conspiracy doesn't censor. That's not true, they don't censor things they agree with.
shitlord 13y ago
I can't believe this "DAE police state" crap made the front page. Who upvotes this stupid shit?

snitko 13y ago

Happened in Ukraine though. Pretty much out of the blue sky. People thought they were rather safe, judging by the experience of the past years and then suddenly this violence. Why? Because when government feels threatened it doesn't care about constitution or anything it ever promised. The question for the government is "what is the most effective way I can deal with this". If violence is more effective and government has more to lose not using it, violence will be used.

snitko 13y ago
I should also add the the sad truth about state violence is that it doesn't cost anything to those who order it. Taxpayers, the ones this violence is being used against, are paying for it. Problem is, they usually don't recognize this fact. A more effective way in the extreme case when government orders a crackdown would be to stop paying, not go and protest. You can get in trouble either way, but in the latter case the state wouldn't have any excuse that "you started it".
- darkmighty 13y ago
  In an apocalyptic crackdown situation it wouldn't really matter to the government whether the government is being paid. They are the sole issuers of money. Sure, this damages the economy, but if they have disregarded public welfare to such a point they may as well do a little economic damage.
  - snitko 13y ago
    This is why people should stop paying before the government grows into a monster.

vezzy-fnord 13y ago

Poisoning the well there. /r/conspiracy, although of generally lackluster quality, does not make this post any less legitimate. The USA has had a history of intimidating select citizens with operations like COINTELPRO and Operation Mockingbird (suppression and influence of journalism and the media). So, it's not really that large of a jump. Even if it is, it's already been made decades ago.

1457389 13y ago

1) the original post was not made on /r/conspiracy, it was crossposted there after the original was inexplicably deleted and the user banned 2) the federal government does use threats to coerce people to snitch on their peers 3) the federal government has in the past and is currently prosecuting journalists in leak investigations, with jailtime being a possible outcome. If you widen the scope you can see that they actively suppress journalists overseas who raise inconvenient facts about US policy.

jnbiche 13y ago
Where was it posted originally?
- 1457389 13y ago
  http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_belie... There. Whole bunch of drama, as you can read about if you enable subredit CSS.
  - username223 13y ago
    So apparently he criticized Israel -- which you can do in Israel, but not in the US. It's not worth the drama to discuss any of that.
    - cema 13y ago
      You certainly can do it in the US. Perhaps something special about the (sub) reddit thread?
      - deong 13y ago
        Sure, you can, but it's not politically acceptable by either side of the political spectrum.
  - zokier 13y ago

samstave 13y ago

I find that, while I don't agree with many of the posts on /r/conspiracy, at least they don't censor and delete things that should be disussed widely... And, while I find that there is an ongoing debate on topics llike racism on that /r/ -- they tend to be efforts to distract from the core content. The fact is that there IS, INDEED, an effort to maintain control over the people who have-not, by those who have. As such it is critical to continue to talk about these topics... There is a lot of corrupt BS happening. /r/conspiracy would need not exist if people weren't being deluded about the fact that a small portion of the global population is exploiting a great percentage of the global population.

supergauntlet 13y ago
Yes, they do. The moderators of /r/conspiracy are notorious for banning people that question the conspiracies, no matter how out there. Oh, and /u/flytape, a mod of the subreddit, is a holocaust denier.
- oijaf888 13y ago
  How are those relevant to the seemingly good quality post in the link? Do they have the ability to edit posts to change the intention of the poster?
  - supergauntlet 13y ago
    The guy I responded to said /r/conspiracy doesn't censor. That's not true, they don't censor things they agree with.

shitlord 13y ago

I can't believe this "DAE police state" crap made the front page. Who upvotes this stupid shit?