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Hate to say it, but I pirate Adobe's software for real. I use Pixelmator and Sketch, which are superior products at one tenth of the price. However, I often nee

by woah 13y ago

Hate to say it, but I pirate Adobe's software for real. I use Pixelmator and Sketch, which are superior products at one tenth of the price. However, I often need to open files in Adobe's legacy formats, and since they do not provide any sort of converter software, I must take the only option available to me.

logicallee 13y ago
I think you mean, "the cheaper of the two options available to me."
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  If there are two products, and both can accomplish the necessary task(s), and one is cheaper, the cheaper product is the superior product.
  - CrazedGeek 13y ago
    I think the comparison was between paying and not paying for Photoshop, not between Photoshop and Pixelmator.
    - woah 13y ago
      I pay for Pixelmator with great joy. Awesome product, intuitive interface, frequent updates.
  - Kudos 13y ago
    Replace "can accomplish the necessary task(s)" with "are functionally equivalent" and maybe you have a point. But the pirate copy is missing automatic updates and access to the web services (which Adobe has cleverly started moving into to add value where pirate copies cannot).
    - toomuchtodo 13y ago
      > Replace "can accomplish the necessary task(s)" with "are functionally equivalent" and maybe you have a point. Now you're just being pedantic :)
      - Kudos 13y ago
        Not really, lots of things can accomplish the same tasks and are functionally different. A car will get you from one location to another (necessary task), but so will a boat or a plane.
- supercanuck 13y ago
  Where there is a market problem, there will be a market solution.
- srik 13y ago
  IMO Sketch is actually more relevant than Photoshop for some work,
  - woah 13y ago
    Sketch is flat out better for almost everything. (In a web and interface workflow)
akerl_ 13y ago
Can you clarify how pirating Adobe's software is "the only option available to [you]"? I get that it's ridiculously expensive and generally a pain in the ass... but needing to do something expensive doesn't provide justification for bypassing the cost, or in any way make "paying for the product" no longer an option.
- sergiotapia 13y ago
  Meh, it's an industry monopoly they have on a global scale. And a web developer from india cannot afford the huge price that comes with Adobe Photoshop - so they pirate it. Don't care personally, what do you they expect, in the real world? Shades of gray and all that. Another example: games. A AAA game costs 60$ on Steam a price 90% of the people online in South America can't afford. So what happened recently? A lot of latinamerican online stores sell Steam games for a much more realistic price. For example, a AAA game costs $30-$40 on sites like Nuuvem.
  - akerl_ 13y ago
    No offense, but there really aren't "shades of gray" here. I've definitely pirated things, but not wanting to pay the cost of something doesn't entitle you to spring forth "illegally downloading" as a justified option. The article's case, where downloading the software legitimately was actually not an option, does establish that other option: he has paid for the software (or the serial, or the dream of software, or whatever), but Adobe has now made it impossible to legitimately access the software. He didn't contact Adobe and say "I've decided I must use your software, but I do not wish to pay, so it's cool if I pirate, right?"
    - MichaelGG 13y ago
      There may not be "shades of gray" as far as the legality and fact of copyright infringement goes. But morally, it's certainly not so clear cut. A 14-yr-old me pirated Photoshop and used it to screw around with some filters (I've got little artistic talent) and whatnot. There's certainly no harm done to Adobe in that case - I wasn't gonna buy Photoshop for a total few hours of playing around. Someone living in a poor country that simply could not afford the software is in a similar position. It doesn't harm Adobe, but locks them in further - just like Microsoft benefited greatly from piracy, too. It's still illegal, but there is clearly different levels of morality. If a large, profitable, studio was pirating software, that's sorta sleazy. People that legitimately can't afford it, eh.

by woah 13y ago

logicallee 13y ago

I think you mean, "the cheaper of the two options available to me."

toomuchtodo 13y ago
If there are two products, and both can accomplish the necessary task(s), and one is cheaper, the cheaper product is the superior product.
- CrazedGeek 13y ago
  I think the comparison was between paying and not paying for Photoshop, not between Photoshop and Pixelmator.
  - woah 13y ago
    I pay for Pixelmator with great joy. Awesome product, intuitive interface, frequent updates.
- Kudos 13y ago
  Replace "can accomplish the necessary task(s)" with "are functionally equivalent" and maybe you have a point. But the pirate copy is missing automatic updates and access to the web services (which Adobe has cleverly started moving into to add value where pirate copies cannot).
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    > Replace "can accomplish the necessary task(s)" with "are functionally equivalent" and maybe you have a point. Now you're just being pedantic :)
    - Kudos 13y ago
      Not really, lots of things can accomplish the same tasks and are functionally different. A car will get you from one location to another (necessary task), but so will a boat or a plane.
supercanuck 13y ago
Where there is a market problem, there will be a market solution.
srik 13y ago
IMO Sketch is actually more relevant than Photoshop for some work,
- woah 13y ago
  Sketch is flat out better for almost everything. (In a web and interface workflow)

akerl_ 13y ago

Can you clarify how pirating Adobe's software is "the only option available to [you]"? I get that it's ridiculously expensive and generally a pain in the ass... but needing to do something expensive doesn't provide justification for bypassing the cost, or in any way make "paying for the product" no longer an option.

sergiotapia 13y ago
Meh, it's an industry monopoly they have on a global scale. And a web developer from india cannot afford the huge price that comes with Adobe Photoshop - so they pirate it. Don't care personally, what do you they expect, in the real world? Shades of gray and all that. Another example: games. A AAA game costs 60$ on Steam a price 90% of the people online in South America can't afford. So what happened recently? A lot of latinamerican online stores sell Steam games for a much more realistic price. For example, a AAA game costs $30-$40 on sites like Nuuvem.
- akerl_ 13y ago
  No offense, but there really aren't "shades of gray" here. I've definitely pirated things, but not wanting to pay the cost of something doesn't entitle you to spring forth "illegally downloading" as a justified option. The article's case, where downloading the software legitimately was actually not an option, does establish that other option: he has paid for the software (or the serial, or the dream of software, or whatever), but Adobe has now made it impossible to legitimately access the software. He didn't contact Adobe and say "I've decided I must use your software, but I do not wish to pay, so it's cool if I pirate, right?"
  - MichaelGG 13y ago
    There may not be "shades of gray" as far as the legality and fact of copyright infringement goes. But morally, it's certainly not so clear cut. A 14-yr-old me pirated Photoshop and used it to screw around with some filters (I've got little artistic talent) and whatnot. There's certainly no harm done to Adobe in that case - I wasn't gonna buy Photoshop for a total few hours of playing around. Someone living in a poor country that simply could not afford the software is in a similar position. It doesn't harm Adobe, but locks them in further - just like Microsoft benefited greatly from piracy, too. It's still illegal, but there is clearly different levels of morality. If a large, profitable, studio was pirating software, that's sorta sleazy. People that legitimately can't afford it, eh.