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From a financial perspective there is a lot more downside to "no rules". Imagine a child dying from hanging in the "lynching game". When teachers are asked if

From a financial perspective there is a lot more downside to "no rules". Imagine a child dying from hanging in the "lynching game". When teachers are asked if they knew about they said yes, but there are no rules. Even if it underestimates the effect of bullying (which I'm skeptical about), it certainly puts the school at much more risk for easy lawsuits.

lisper 13y ago
> Imagine But that's the whole point: when you actually do the experiment, all these horrible things that you imagine might happen don't actually happen.
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  By that logic there should have been no problems whatsoever before the creation of the rules that generally obtain at schools today. One has to ask what created the pressure for those rules in the first place.
  - TeMPOraL 13y ago
    Ability to sue the school combined with increased assumption that if there's a problem with kid, it's the school's fault, and not kid misbehaving.
  - smsm42 13y ago
    One knows what created them. Moral panic and "we must do something" culture.
  - lisper 13y ago
    > By that logic there should have been no problems whatsoever before the creation of the rules that generally obtain at schools today No, not "no problems whatsoever" just "fewer problems than there are now." Which is in fact the case. The problem is that people looked at the problems that existed before the rules were in place and applied an argument of the form: There is a problem. Something must be done about this problem. This is something. Therefore we must do this. I hope I don't have to explain the flaw in this reasoning.
hobs 13y ago
That's the entire reason the rules were originally put in place, no matter what they say, it was to avoid said lawsuits, not to protect children. Nobody wants to see a kid hurt, but rules only get teeth when money is on the line.
antipodean 13y ago
If you'd watched the video, here's a paraphrase: "We watch the kids play, then we talk and they decide on the rules. They respect the rules better then". Adult supervision at schools is pretty common, even in the deep South Pacific.

lisper 13y ago

> Imagine But that's the whole point: when you actually do the experiment, all these horrible things that you imagine might happen don't actually happen.

anigbrowl 13y ago
By that logic there should have been no problems whatsoever before the creation of the rules that generally obtain at schools today. One has to ask what created the pressure for those rules in the first place.
- TeMPOraL 13y ago
  Ability to sue the school combined with increased assumption that if there's a problem with kid, it's the school's fault, and not kid misbehaving.
- smsm42 13y ago
  One knows what created them. Moral panic and "we must do something" culture.
- lisper 13y ago
  > By that logic there should have been no problems whatsoever before the creation of the rules that generally obtain at schools today No, not "no problems whatsoever" just "fewer problems than there are now." Which is in fact the case. The problem is that people looked at the problems that existed before the rules were in place and applied an argument of the form: There is a problem. Something must be done about this problem. This is something. Therefore we must do this. I hope I don't have to explain the flaw in this reasoning.

hobs 13y ago

That's the entire reason the rules were originally put in place, no matter what they say, it was to avoid said lawsuits, not to protect children. Nobody wants to see a kid hurt, but rules only get teeth when money is on the line.

antipodean 13y ago

If you'd watched the video, here's a paraphrase: "We watch the kids play, then we talk and they decide on the rules. They respect the rules better then". Adult supervision at schools is pretty common, even in the deep South Pacific.