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> She told me that there was not a clear enough of a struggle Did she say no? If she did, then that's all that is necessary. What is it with DAs in the Boston
by koenigdavidmj 13y ago
> She told me that there was not a clear enough of a struggle
Did she say no? If she did, then that's all that is necessary.
What is it with DAs in the Boston area being general piles of scum (see: Carmen Ortiz)?
- TallGuyShort 13y agoI'm not saying the status quo is acceptable or that what she describes wasn't rape, but by no means do we want to head towards a world in which claiming you said a word is sufficient to convict someone of a serious crime.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago>by no means do we want to head towards a world in which claiming you said a word is sufficient to convict someone of a serious crime Are we not there already? Who hasn't heard of false rape claims and such going way too far?
- frandroid 13y agoMRA, get the fuck out of here.
- BlackDeath3 13y agoThanks for the civil and rational response.
- MartinCron 13y agoI basically agree with where you're coming from, but I think that we can do better than that here. I think it would be prudent to delete that comment.
- dannypgh 13y agoYou're both wrong. Rape is not merely defined by someone saying "no." Sexual assault/penetration needs to occur as well. Maybe you shouldn't have sex with people if you have any doubt as to whether it's consensual? There are no more false claims of rape than any other crime. Please do some research before repeating such vile filth, especially in a male-dominated community such as this one. The fact that I am even having to post this is proof that your comment is rather derailing. http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusation/ http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusatio...
- BlackDeath3 13y agoA lot of great, civil, thoughtful responses here. Penetration occurs in consensual sex as well. All I'm saying is that I agree that we do not want to live in a world where a claim of rape (regardless of penetration occurring or not) is all that is required for a conviction.
- frandroid 13y agoI'm sorry, but that's all that there should be. If a woman says no, that's how she establishes her lack of consent. Lying to a court is illegal. That's covered. End of story.
- sliverstorm 13y agoAfter all, it's not like anyone has ever perjured themselves in court before.
- yetanotherphd 13y agoThose are separate matters: one is a matter of law, the other a matter of fact. Suppose for example, that the police interviewed this man and he confirmed every part of her story. Then I think there would be sufficient evidence of rape. On the other hand, if he gave a completely different story, maybe there would be insufficient evidence. The problem with the ADA is their apparently wrong understanding of the law
- logicallee 13y agoBut we do want to head toward a world where people have control over other people's physical advances on them simply by voicing their consent. Maybe it could help if you imagine a situation where someone claims that you were willingly joining in a street fight with someone, i.e. that you were fighting together, when the street fight consisted of some thug saying to you, "Wanna fight?" and you saying "No." Sounds like the definition of declining, to me.