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yes. Or at least, that's the best way I can express my feelings regarding it. It's a mix. I don't like that it looks like I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the

yes. Or at least, that's the best way I can express my feelings regarding it. It's a mix. I don't like that it looks like I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that the BS is working. Am I valuing it because it's "scientifically proven" and "the guy doing it is muscular therefore it works"? Certainly not consciously, but subconsciously it could color my decisions. That's an uncomfortable thought. Further, if I buy into it, will I contribute to another statistic that gets flashed around business meetings that demonstrate that slimeball tactics like this work? I hate these techniques, am I making them more popular? Maybe there's a tool out there that doesn't do stuff like this, and I'm not aware of it. I could be contributing to that tools growth rather than this ones. edit: there is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 Do I become a hypocrite for using it? To be blunt, this is sort of a post hoc rationalization of why I don't like it. >The negativity in the comments around here astounds me. Body training receives so much criticism because this is a category of self improvement that truly deserves it. So much snake oil. So much "science". The bar must be set very high after such a sordid history.

codingdave 13y ago
So if I can paraphrase, you really want to be "voting with your dollars", when it comes to which apps to use, and for you, theis segment of the industry has a poor track record, so when you see marketing that lacks integrity, you do not want to offer that support to it. That makes sense to me, and sounds more reasonable than saying you are worried about what other people think. Is that a fair way to rephrase where you are coming from?
- GhotiFish 13y ago
  well. Since I'm not spending dollars, I'd be more accurately voting with my statistics. but Yes, Voting with my statistics was sort of a post hoc rationalization of what I didn't like the app. Like I said, it was a mix. To be truthful, I didn't like it because it had red flags. That's really the end of my rational. I feel that's valid enough, because there's another site that does the same thing sans the red flags.

codingdave 13y ago

So if I can paraphrase, you really want to be "voting with your dollars", when it comes to which apps to use, and for you, theis segment of the industry has a poor track record, so when you see marketing that lacks integrity, you do not want to offer that support to it. That makes sense to me, and sounds more reasonable than saying you are worried about what other people think. Is that a fair way to rephrase where you are coming from?

GhotiFish 13y ago
well. Since I'm not spending dollars, I'd be more accurately voting with my statistics. but Yes, Voting with my statistics was sort of a post hoc rationalization of what I didn't like the app. Like I said, it was a mix. To be truthful, I didn't like it because it had red flags. That's really the end of my rational. I feel that's valid enough, because there's another site that does the same thing sans the red flags.