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I like this, but having an ultra fit guy do it, and throwing out the words "Scientifically proven" in a work out routine are just huge red flags for me. I'm fi

I like this, but having an ultra fit guy do it, and throwing out the words "Scientifically proven" in a work out routine are just huge red flags for me. I'm fine with using it, what I'm not fine with is if someone finds out that I'm using something with such obviously bullshit marketing tactics, and thinks I fell for it. How am I supposed to explain "No, no, honestly! I just think it's a decent guide and a good pacing tool. I'm not under the delusion that I'll look like that, I swear!" ^eyes roll^ Why do all these tools have to market themselves as that "one wierd trick that's scientifically proven, gyms hate him!"?

doktrin 13y ago
I'm typically quite concerned with the opinions of others, and this strikes me as a non-issue.
codingdave 13y ago
Seriously? Your concern with this app is what your friends might think if you use it? And having a less fit model would make you more comfortable? This is just an app that shows a workout. The negativity in the comments around here astounds me.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  I can kind of see the concern. There's just a category of offerings that scream "bullshit", and it really doesn't make you look very good when you subscribe to them...
- GhotiFish 13y ago
  yes. Or at least, that's the best way I can express my feelings regarding it. It's a mix. I don't like that it looks like I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that the BS is working. Am I valuing it because it's "scientifically proven" and "the guy doing it is muscular therefore it works"? Certainly not consciously, but subconsciously it could color my decisions. That's an uncomfortable thought. Further, if I buy into it, will I contribute to another statistic that gets flashed around business meetings that demonstrate that slimeball tactics like this work? I hate these techniques, am I making them more popular? Maybe there's a tool out there that doesn't do stuff like this, and I'm not aware of it. I could be contributing to that tools growth rather than this ones. edit: there is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 Do I become a hypocrite for using it? To be blunt, this is sort of a post hoc rationalization of why I don't like it. >The negativity in the comments around here astounds me. Body training receives so much criticism because this is a category of self improvement that truly deserves it. So much snake oil. So much "science". The bar must be set very high after such a sordid history.
  - codingdave 13y ago
    So if I can paraphrase, you really want to be "voting with your dollars", when it comes to which apps to use, and for you, theis segment of the industry has a poor track record, so when you see marketing that lacks integrity, you do not want to offer that support to it. That makes sense to me, and sounds more reasonable than saying you are worried about what other people think. Is that a fair way to rephrase where you are coming from?
    - GhotiFish 13y ago
      well. Since I'm not spending dollars, I'd be more accurately voting with my statistics. but Yes, Voting with my statistics was sort of a post hoc rationalization of what I didn't like the app. Like I said, it was a mix. To be truthful, I didn't like it because it had red flags. That's really the end of my rational. I feel that's valid enough, because there's another site that does the same thing sans the red flags.

doktrin 13y ago

I'm typically quite concerned with the opinions of others, and this strikes me as a non-issue.

codingdave 13y ago

Seriously? Your concern with this app is what your friends might think if you use it? And having a less fit model would make you more comfortable? This is just an app that shows a workout. The negativity in the comments around here astounds me.

sliverstorm 13y ago
I can kind of see the concern. There's just a category of offerings that scream "bullshit", and it really doesn't make you look very good when you subscribe to them...
GhotiFish 13y ago
yes. Or at least, that's the best way I can express my feelings regarding it. It's a mix. I don't like that it looks like I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that the BS is working. Am I valuing it because it's "scientifically proven" and "the guy doing it is muscular therefore it works"? Certainly not consciously, but subconsciously it could color my decisions. That's an uncomfortable thought. Further, if I buy into it, will I contribute to another statistic that gets flashed around business meetings that demonstrate that slimeball tactics like this work? I hate these techniques, am I making them more popular? Maybe there's a tool out there that doesn't do stuff like this, and I'm not aware of it. I could be contributing to that tools growth rather than this ones. edit: there is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7152886 Do I become a hypocrite for using it? To be blunt, this is sort of a post hoc rationalization of why I don't like it. >The negativity in the comments around here astounds me. Body training receives so much criticism because this is a category of self improvement that truly deserves it. So much snake oil. So much "science". The bar must be set very high after such a sordid history.
- codingdave 13y ago
  So if I can paraphrase, you really want to be "voting with your dollars", when it comes to which apps to use, and for you, theis segment of the industry has a poor track record, so when you see marketing that lacks integrity, you do not want to offer that support to it. That makes sense to me, and sounds more reasonable than saying you are worried about what other people think. Is that a fair way to rephrase where you are coming from?
  - GhotiFish 13y ago
    well. Since I'm not spending dollars, I'd be more accurately voting with my statistics. but Yes, Voting with my statistics was sort of a post hoc rationalization of what I didn't like the app. Like I said, it was a mix. To be truthful, I didn't like it because it had red flags. That's really the end of my rational. I feel that's valid enough, because there's another site that does the same thing sans the red flags.