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>they can't rely on physical dominance to counteract the dangers that come with a large group of uninhibited men. I cannot think of a single occurrence of phys

by nahname 13y ago

>they can't rely on physical dominance to counteract the dangers that come with a large group of uninhibited men. I cannot think of a single occurrence of physical violence or rape that occurred at a technical conference. Your projections over all women here are unwarranted. Maybe you feel this way because men are much more aggressive with other men? That would be a fair statement here.

InclinedPlane 13y ago
You aren't paying attention then. There was a very high profile case of sexual assault within the tech industry, and at one of these booze filled conference parties as well, only a few months ago.
mtrimpe 13y ago
There's plenty of actual harrasment to be found in this list of incidents: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_incidents http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_in... Keep in mind that this is just the subset of women who were strong and determined enough to come out and risk retribution and damaging their career prospects.
- yummyfajitas 13y ago
  It's hard to take seriously a list of incidents that starts with "a model was photographed, and the photo was later cropped and used as a test image in image processing." Jumping to the very bottom, I see the Paul Graham non-incident and gendered pronouns. (Admittedly, I didn't read too carefully after seeing obvious nonsense everywhere I looked. Perhaps a list which is curated and has silliness removed would be a more useful citation, or at least pointing out which incidents on this list you feel are serious.)
  - mtrimpe 13y ago
    How about this one from October 2013 where a 25-year old woman gets talked into doing a body shot in a bar and ends up getting fingered by her boss while lying on the bar? http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Codemash_sexual_assault http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Codemash_sexual_assault That's when limiting myself to bar-related incidents in direct technology events. If you include conferences here's a full on attempted rape from last year: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627000201/http://georgiaweidman.com/wordpress/guess-you-thought-i-was-someone-to-mess-with/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130627000201/http://georgiawei... I'm even excluding the comic cons because they're arguably not that tech-related but harrasment there seems even more prevalent. Notice how they also all refer to archive links? That's due to a mix of for fear of the consequences of having these posts be at the top of Google when searching for the victims name and straight-up libel suits being initiated by the perpetrators.
onetwofiveten 13y ago
While the danger of physical violence might not be significant, I can imagine that a big group of drunk men might be very intimidating for some women. We've all read complaints about unwelcome advances, harassment, inappropriate comments and sexist jokes at tech conferences. How much worse would it be with drunk men? How safe from harassment would you feel if you were woman? Imagine if you're in a group conversation and one guy keeps making dirty jokes and staring at your breasts when he says the punchline. Or if a guy is really overly friendly and keeps getting really close and bumping into you "by accident". Or if a guy keeps giving you overly personal compliments that are creeping you out, no matter how much you try to brush him off. In a room full of drunk strangers, you'd probably feel quite isolated, since you wouldn't have anyone you could reliably turn to for help. I can imagine all that being a bit intimidating, especially if you've experienced unpleasant behaviour from men at tech conferences in the past.

by nahname 13y ago

InclinedPlane 13y ago

You aren't paying attention then. There was a very high profile case of sexual assault within the tech industry, and at one of these booze filled conference parties as well, only a few months ago.

mtrimpe 13y ago

There's plenty of actual harrasment to be found in this list of incidents: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_incidents http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_in... Keep in mind that this is just the subset of women who were strong and determined enough to come out and risk retribution and damaging their career prospects.

yummyfajitas 13y ago
It's hard to take seriously a list of incidents that starts with "a model was photographed, and the photo was later cropped and used as a test image in image processing." Jumping to the very bottom, I see the Paul Graham non-incident and gendered pronouns. (Admittedly, I didn't read too carefully after seeing obvious nonsense everywhere I looked. Perhaps a list which is curated and has silliness removed would be a more useful citation, or at least pointing out which incidents on this list you feel are serious.)
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  How about this one from October 2013 where a 25-year old woman gets talked into doing a body shot in a bar and ends up getting fingered by her boss while lying on the bar? http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Codemash_sexual_assault http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Codemash_sexual_assault That's when limiting myself to bar-related incidents in direct technology events. If you include conferences here's a full on attempted rape from last year: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627000201/http://georgiaweidman.com/wordpress/guess-you-thought-i-was-someone-to-mess-with/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130627000201/http://georgiawei... I'm even excluding the comic cons because they're arguably not that tech-related but harrasment there seems even more prevalent. Notice how they also all refer to archive links? That's due to a mix of for fear of the consequences of having these posts be at the top of Google when searching for the victims name and straight-up libel suits being initiated by the perpetrators.

onetwofiveten 13y ago

While the danger of physical violence might not be significant, I can imagine that a big group of drunk men might be very intimidating for some women. We've all read complaints about unwelcome advances, harassment, inappropriate comments and sexist jokes at tech conferences. How much worse would it be with drunk men? How safe from harassment would you feel if you were woman? Imagine if you're in a group conversation and one guy keeps making dirty jokes and staring at your breasts when he says the punchline. Or if a guy is really overly friendly and keeps getting really close and bumping into you "by accident". Or if a guy keeps giving you overly personal compliments that are creeping you out, no matter how much you try to brush him off. In a room full of drunk strangers, you'd probably feel quite isolated, since you wouldn't have anyone you could reliably turn to for help. I can imagine all that being a bit intimidating, especially if you've experienced unpleasant behaviour from men at tech conferences in the past.