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I wonder why he writes that the lockerbox didn't work. Deutsche Post introduced them here in Germany a few years ago and they are used to capacity. I've had th

I wonder why he writes that the lockerbox didn't work. Deutsche Post introduced them here in Germany a few years ago and they are used to capacity. I've had this "I'm never gonna do it but it sure would be nice" idea about a refrigerated postbox rollout for years: First you put a refrigerated lockerbox in the most densely populated neighborhoods to get the unbroken refrigeration chain infrastructure flowing. Then, over the years, homeowners could install a two-sided refrigerator in the external wall of their house. That refrigerator would have electronic locks on both sides. The locks on the outside can only be opened by the various deliverymen and the lock on the inside can be opened only by you. The remaining risk would be a deliveryman cleaning out your fridge, but since everything is logged these days, we'll at least catch the guy.

pavel_lishin 13y ago
Why would you need any sort of "lock" on the inside at all, aside from a physical latch that can't be opened from inside the refrigerator? If someone's already in my house, the contents of my delivery-fridge are the least of my concerns.
- sentenza 13y ago
  In most cases, anything that can't be opened from inside the fridge would also do it. The lock on the inside is only neccessary if it's a house with multiple renting parties and there are multiple such refrigerators in the wall between the outside and the hallway, as opposed to one refrigerator between each flat and the hallway.
- jowiar 13y ago
  Presumably the idea being such the delivery fridge key grants access to the fridge and not the house?
  - sentenza 13y ago
    Yes, of course. I failed to specify this in my other reply to the parent.
BlackDeath3 13y ago
>First you put a refrigerated lockerbox in the most densely populated neighborhoods to get the unbroken refrigeration chain infrastructure flowing. Then, over the years, homeowners could install a two-sided refrigerator in the external wall of their house. That refrigerator would have electronic locks on both sides. The locks on the outside can only be opened by the various deliverymen and the lock on the inside can be opened only by you. At the risk of sounding like a Luddite... is this before, or after the majority of the population has learned to differentiate their computer tower from their monitor?
- sentenza 13y ago
  I don't know. IMO this is not more complicated than typical car-sharing services, and these work splendidly, judging based on what I hear from Berlin. On a side note: Dear car-sharing startups, _Berlin is not Germany_! The main difference between Berlin and the rest of Germany is that in the rest of Germany, people tend to have more disposable income, so please give us some love. (Grumpily looks at own, maintenance-hungry car.)
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    And if I had to rank shutting down a home PC on a difficulty spectrum, it would be pretty damn near the "Low" end, but... there it is.
pjc50 13y ago
There's a project I'm distantly involved with to roll remotely unlockable insulated boxes out to homes for supermarket delivery, but it's stalled. :(

pavel_lishin 13y ago

Why would you need any sort of "lock" on the inside at all, aside from a physical latch that can't be opened from inside the refrigerator? If someone's already in my house, the contents of my delivery-fridge are the least of my concerns.

sentenza 13y ago
In most cases, anything that can't be opened from inside the fridge would also do it. The lock on the inside is only neccessary if it's a house with multiple renting parties and there are multiple such refrigerators in the wall between the outside and the hallway, as opposed to one refrigerator between each flat and the hallway.
jowiar 13y ago
Presumably the idea being such the delivery fridge key grants access to the fridge and not the house?
- sentenza 13y ago
  Yes, of course. I failed to specify this in my other reply to the parent.

BlackDeath3 13y ago

>First you put a refrigerated lockerbox in the most densely populated neighborhoods to get the unbroken refrigeration chain infrastructure flowing. Then, over the years, homeowners could install a two-sided refrigerator in the external wall of their house. That refrigerator would have electronic locks on both sides. The locks on the outside can only be opened by the various deliverymen and the lock on the inside can be opened only by you. At the risk of sounding like a Luddite... is this before, or after the majority of the population has learned to differentiate their computer tower from their monitor?

sentenza 13y ago
I don't know. IMO this is not more complicated than typical car-sharing services, and these work splendidly, judging based on what I hear from Berlin. On a side note: Dear car-sharing startups, _Berlin is not Germany_! The main difference between Berlin and the rest of Germany is that in the rest of Germany, people tend to have more disposable income, so please give us some love. (Grumpily looks at own, maintenance-hungry car.)
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  And if I had to rank shutting down a home PC on a difficulty spectrum, it would be pretty damn near the "Low" end, but... there it is.

pjc50 13y ago

There's a project I'm distantly involved with to roll remotely unlockable insulated boxes out to homes for supermarket delivery, but it's stalled. :(