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I don't understand. Our goal should be to maximize choice: people who want to live long should have the option to. The problem is that this choice is currently

I don't understand. Our goal should be to maximize choice: people who want to live long should have the option to. The problem is that this choice is currently missing. You can always live your life as if this year is your last year.

eli_gottlieb 13y ago
Make an accounting for being Tired of Life, for lacking the finances for longer lifespans, for cognitive and physical decline... blah blah blah. Young people always think we want to live longer. Somehow, our minds end up changing by the time we become old people.
- lmm 13y ago
  > Young people always think we want to live longer. Somehow, our minds end up changing by the time we become old people. No they don't. Old people might say they wish they'd died younger, but their actions show otherwise.
  - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
    You mean their actions like having a living will that says to let them die in some circumstances, or outright filing "right to die" lawsuits? Or their attempts at suicide, which come at a rate well above those of the general population? Those actions?
    - MarkTee 13y ago
      If they truly wished that they'd died younger, then they'd already be dead.
      - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        Are you honestly claiming an unsuccessful suicide attempt is an example of wanting to live? That's getting near "revealed rational preferences" in its level of sheer bullshit.
        MarkTee 13y ago
        Nice strawman. But yes, if somebody makes a failed suicide attempt, and doesn't follow up on that, I'd say that they wish to live (except for those who are left physically incapacitated due to their attempt, obviously).
        benched 13y ago
        I'd say you're completely full of shit. Suicide is hard, and, contrary to the propaganda about it, takes a great deal more courage than, say, skydiving.
        eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        Look, I apologize for the curseword, but you have to admit, in suicide as in all other actions, there are a million things that come between people's real intentions and their realized actions.

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

Make an accounting for being Tired of Life, for lacking the finances for longer lifespans, for cognitive and physical decline... blah blah blah. Young people always think we want to live longer. Somehow, our minds end up changing by the time we become old people.

lmm 13y ago
> Young people always think we want to live longer. Somehow, our minds end up changing by the time we become old people. No they don't. Old people might say they wish they'd died younger, but their actions show otherwise.
- eli_gottlieb 13y ago
  You mean their actions like having a living will that says to let them die in some circumstances, or outright filing "right to die" lawsuits? Or their attempts at suicide, which come at a rate well above those of the general population? Those actions?
  - MarkTee 13y ago
    If they truly wished that they'd died younger, then they'd already be dead.
    - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
      Are you honestly claiming an unsuccessful suicide attempt is an example of wanting to live? That's getting near "revealed rational preferences" in its level of sheer bullshit.
      - MarkTee 13y ago
        Nice strawman. But yes, if somebody makes a failed suicide attempt, and doesn't follow up on that, I'd say that they wish to live (except for those who are left physically incapacitated due to their attempt, obviously).
        benched 13y ago
        I'd say you're completely full of shit. Suicide is hard, and, contrary to the propaganda about it, takes a great deal more courage than, say, skydiving.
        eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        Look, I apologize for the curseword, but you have to admit, in suicide as in all other actions, there are a million things that come between people's real intentions and their realized actions.